Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[iuvol]

I thought it was said that we have a NIL group second to none, I guess that is not true

 

[TheBigOne10]

Bet the Vikings wish they didn’t screw over Dobbs now! Losers

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Most drag strips require a parachute for sub 10s cars, just saying. That’s wicked fast if true

This. Bet its true too.Its all wheel drive and electric motors make the same torque at 1RPM that they make at 10,000RPM. Instant power.

A 10hp electric golfcart will snap your head back if a buddy stomps on it when you were unprepared. A 600 or 800hp(didn't look it up for the new model), all wheel drive electric car like that Tesla has insane acceleration that gas powered vehicles just cant match from a standstill. They are heavy and dont corner that well being 4 door family sedans...but stoplight to stoplight a regular model S will blow the doors off a Mustang or Camaro etc. That plaid version is down in the 2sec flat range 0-60 and will leave Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and Porsche 911 turbos in an 1/8th or 1/4 mile. They are that fast. I dont own an electric vehicle nor have any intentions to...but the Teslas are so much faster than gas powered cars its not even fair. Its an apples to oranges comparison. So weird to see something move so fast and quiet...I dont like it honestly. All you can hear is tire noise a little bit of electric motor. Anything that fast should be loud

 

[Palm Beach Vol]

It's not gonna change anything. Collectives will still exist. Top players will still get offered exorbitant deals from school boosters.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Still taking a risk on him.

Missed 90% of 2020 and this obviously this season. Not sure how much I trust him holding up.

I’d ask for more if I was the Titans.

If I am the G M or owner, I would not even look at it twice before I threw it down the drain. You can not play those games with a Billion dollar franchise. Trade the pick and get 3-4 first round picks this year and/or next year. The Titians have too many positions which need to be upgraded to become competitive.

 

[The Dog]

If I am the G M or owner, I would not even look at it twice before I threw it down the drain. You can not play those games with a Billion dollar franchise. Trade the pick and get 3-4 first round picks this year and/or next year. The Titians have too many positions which need to be upgraded to become competitive.

Sam Darnold going to darnold. I knew better, I should have bet the guy that is a winner, Stafford

 

[SPEDVoL14]

Nico gonna be running for his life with these portal misses. Can’t imagine the meeting with the coaches included playing a bunch of young OL who haven’t played meaningful snaps to begin to develop.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

I thought it was said that we have a NIL group second to none, I guess that is not true

A lot of things are said that are not true.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I think BOT just offered to give me a wax. What a pervert.

 

[engineerVOL]

If I'm not mistaken, Hawaii's heritage is Hawaiian.

Sounds racist.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I hesitate to ask... what part of the interview reinforced the narrative?

That he's a family man and values his role as a father and when traveling with the team he reads books?

Ram has many Leather bound Books he has read and his former Titans office smells of Rich Mahogany

 

[beneVOLence]

I wish we could have had Young and Verse at the same time.

 

[85SugarVol]

I thought it was said that we have a NIL group second to none, I guess that is not true

I think we were one of the first to effectively leverage it, and I do believe we are probably pretty innovative in that space.

But there’s just no way we are leveraging the same $ as Texas, or Oregon, or Ohio St. And I’m not sure it would be fair to expect us to.

 

[vol94]

I think we were one of the first to effectively leverage it, and I do believe we are probably pretty innovative in that space.

But there’s just no way we are leveraging the same $ as Texas, or Oregon, or Ohio St. And I’m not sure it would be fair to expect us to.

I think we were the most organized when NIL began. Meaning, Many schools had numerous collectives initially while TN and one , Spyree. Now, everyone is more organized with the understanding to have 1-2 primary collectives.

 

[patrick]

We have 10 million few dollars to spend each year than teams like Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, and a few other teams. They can buy more 4-5 star players than we can. This is pretty simple to understand.

TN Big $$$ Donors:

C Ergen - billionaire
Haslam Family - billionaires
Charlie Anderson - several hundred millionaire
Thornton - several hundred millionaire +
Dr Min Kao - billionaire (caveat - most if not all donations are for education)
John Tickle - 75-125 mill
Peyton Manning - 250 mill+
Randy Boyd - 100 mill+ (???)

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

We have 10 million few dollars to spend each year than teams like Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, and a few other teams. They can buy more 4-5 star players than we can. This is pretty simple to understand.

That’s unacceptable

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

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*I used to like Dave Hooker and enjoyed his insight when he was on WNML 99.1 but he's really disappointed me the past few years. Anymore, it just seems like he just wants to stir the pot to get VOL twitter riled up

By all means offer the evidence to refute what’s been said.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[volfan2022]

That’s unacceptable

Some of yall need to get richer faster

 

[volfan2022]

TN Big $$$ Donors:

C Ergen - billionaire
Haslam Family - billionaires
Charlie Anderson - several hundred millionaire
Thornton - several hundred millionaire +
Dr Min Kao - billionaire (caveat - most if not all donations are for education)
John Tickle - 75-125 mill
Peyton Manning - 250 mill+
Randy Boyd - 100 mill+ (???)

Ergen has never given a dollar to sports

 

[Volbucky]

He gone

 

[KB5252]

I hesitate to ask... what part of the interview reinforced the narrative?

That he's a family man and values his role as a father and when traveling with the team he reads books?

That was just my take away from it. My gut feeling I guess.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Warning: LONG. But didn’t think it warranted an individual thread.

Opinion on our offense: wasn’t the qb, or the OL, or the rbs, or the tight ends, or the receivers, that were the problem with the offense not being able to match 2022 level production the past 2 years. Wasn’t a talent problem. Wasn’t a development problem.

Heupel has told us the answer, numerous times in fact: all 11 guys need to execute at a high level consistently and together.

Side note: Examples of this can be found at other schools too. Like Ohio state showing mortality despite their 25 million dollar NIL roster, until they finally put all the pieces together on the same page this post season.

Back to us: There were times when the OL made life harder on Nico. Heard wasn’t in shape for this offense when he got here. Campbell has been injured. There were times when the receivers made life harder on Nico. Squirrel was injured. Guys dropping balls. There were times when Nico’s lack of experience showed with a rare bad decision likely due to overconfidence or a misread of the defense. There were numerous times when what was arguably the best running back in Tennessee history fumbled in the red zone, effectively wasting a scoring opportunity and halting momentum.

Maybe the complaining about the offense (specifically since ending the season on a disappointing note and not seeing any new and big news in recruiting and the transfer portal) is just because we got spoiled by 2022 being so good and for various reasons at varying times they haven’t been able to put that kind of elite togetherness back together and we haven’t understood why because we only live in that space once a week for 3 hours during the fall. 2022 featured all upper classmen that had been together for more than one season. They’re command and knowledge of what they were doing and togetherness showed, in all but the games where there was a clear talent mismatch (uga) or cheating and locker room issue (cocks - yes I full heartedly believed they knew every play we were running and side note: something about the defense was off which we never heard explained but it came down to being beat playing man defense - see osu 2024 as well, defense needs to take the next step in not just being elite at what they do but also in adjusting to elitely talented opponents and confusing the opponent so they can’t feel confident sticking to their game plan - but I digress). Maybe even NIL and the unrestricted transfer portal has played a role in the pieces not all coming together.

I think 2025 “could” see us get back there, but I would also temper expectations and say more likely we have another decent but not great year and hopefully that and the reaction to it doesn’t deter us from reaching our elite potential in 2026. Nico will show incredible improvement and command imo this year. The offensive line will have been together a while. Center should be figured out by end of spring. I think players like Warren and sham should be ready to step up. Hopefully we avoid injury there and don’t need to rely on freshmen. I’m also not worried about the rbs, if they stay healthy. Not worried about the tight ends, if they stay healthy. My loan concern or reason for thinking we could be waiting til 2026 for 2022 production is the lack of togetherness continuing, potentially having to rely on underclassmen, to which there is a reason we haven’t done so heavily in the past and it’s all about the togetherness (all “play the freshmen” posters, take note). The exodus of receivers is not great even if the talent that left was replacable, because they had experience in the offense and with nico. The guys we have can do their part by demanding time with nico (like MM heading to California with him to do so before spring semester started), running routes with him on their own time and when they can’t go hit the gym and the jugs. Staying healthy will be paramount to many other priorities this year. Fingers crossed the offseason and fall camp injuries are held to a minimum. If the wide receivers can get on the same page as nico, and our other position groups stay healthy, 2025 could be a big step forward for the offense. I have no doubt in 2026 so long as they keep the roster intact, as roster limits increase and recruiting/roster sanctions fall off, that we will be elite on offense. And I think we are in poll position to still be elite on defense that year too. The future is bright.

With that, hopefully I’m done fretting about any perceived disappointments on the recruiting and transfer portal fronts this offseason.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Revenue is different than NIL, at least for now. 247 had TN estimated at an 11.6 mill NIL roster which they ranked at #15 - Texas was #1 with a 22 mill + NIL roster.

Even if (and when) college football goes to revenue sharing with a “cap” athletes would still be entitled to go get their own marketing deals - like the NFL.

At some point, major college football and basktetball will be forced to adopt a version of the NFL/NBA - teams will be franchised out from under the university umbrella.

IF that’s true, which I don’t know that it is because we rarely hear about being outbid for recruits we want, we just gotta find more money on the NIL front and secure a dream recruiting class if we want to win a championship. If you want to tie NIL and recruiting together, which I think is fair to an extent, you gotta have at least one top 5 year amongst consistent top 10 years if you want to win a championship. That’s my opinion based on my 15 years following recruiting. We are one top 5 recruiting class and maybe also a few more million of NIL annually (shouldn’t be hard to pull from boosters when you really think about it in the grander scheme) from entering that space.

 

[Adam Sandler]

@Ericvol2096 @jvols1999 do you know, is there a way to denote and ensure that my donations to the school and vol club go directly to football player NIL? Donations to the school can be football specific, but I don’t think NIL specific (which I find odd given our commitment to being a leader in the NIL space, though maybe it’s not odd since the university doesn’t technically direct funds to NIL or rev share at this time). Donations to vol club, I’m not aware of how to make football specific. Any help/advice would be appreciated.