Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Orange_Crush]

 

[DD4ME]

Lol

 

[DeepPurpleFloyd]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

I would carefully explain your value to them and that you know what other people in that position have been paid. I would also research similar positions at other companies in your area to try to ascertain comparison salaries and convey this information to them.
Once I had finished giving your pitch, I would then tell them that I would seriously consider taking the position if they offered me somewhere around, say ...

 

[DD4ME]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

There are lots of folks that advocate to push for every dime you can squeeze out of an org. I have seen that backfire more than anything. If you are of the new mindset of 2-3 years and jump to the next org then go high. If you seek a long term spot with the team shoot for baby bears porridge and don't look back. I learned the hard way that fighting for a dollar can prevent someone from happily giving you two. Maybe let them know you know the salary ranges and simply are asking for what they see as appropriate for your current experience. You might know the prior persons pay, but how long etc did they hold the role? What experience did they bring that maybe you don't yet.

When in doubt flip a coin. If you don't like the answer it tells you as much as if you do.

 

[hooperj75]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Do you work for a larger company? If so they typically have a formula for internal salary promotions. It is usually a range for each role and there is a midpoint target within that range. Your experience level dictates where you will fall in that range. In saying that, you have 2 advantages. First, if they go external they probably would use a recruiter which can charge 25% of the role’s salary (so you will be the cheaper option). Second, I have promoted a lot of people in my time. They almost always ask for more than my original offer (which is based on formula). I expect them to ask. Most hiring managers have a little wiggle room to increase the original offer. I have never rescinded an internal offer just because someone asks for more. I simply give them what I can and say that’s all that I can do. It won’t hurt you to ask for more. Good luck!!

 

[INKYBERRYVOL]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Good luck, my prediction is 12% increase from current salary and make sure you don’t miss out on any annual performance incentives/ bonuses.

They know what you make but they also know what you bring to the table.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Is donte not playing at all in this shrine game?

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

I would respectfully disagree with others who are suggesting various opinions of "ask for ???" regarding the salary pay. Even though it's an internal vs external opportunity, I would still focus all of your questions/conversation on the actual job responsibilities, how you can contribute to making it better, etc. and leave the salary discussion to them. If they bring it up during the interview, then obviously you need to be prepared to discuss it... but that's different than you actually asking for a certain salary that you would like them to meet.

Get the offer first!!! Once they offer then you can always counter, if desired, and still have the option to accept the position or not. Most positions have a salary range, so find out where your current salary would fit within the range of the new position and that will give you an idea of the growth potential within that position. Even if the initial offer isn't up to what you may want, the future increases could be significant depending on where you fall within the salary range.

 

[DD4ME]

Good grief

 

[DD4ME]

I would respectfully disagree with others who are suggesting various opinions of "ask for ???" regarding the salary pay. Even though it's an internal vs external opportunity, I would still focus all of your questions/conversation on the actual job responsibilities, how you can contribute to making it better, etc. and leave the salary discussion to them. If they bring it up during the interview, then obviously you need to be prepared to discuss it... but that's different than you actually asking for a certain salary that you would like them to meet.

Get the offer first!!! Once they offer then you can always counter, if desired, and still have the option to accept the position or not. Most positions have a salary range, so find out where your current salary would fit within the range of the new position and that will give you an idea of the growth potential within that position. Even if the initial offer isn't up to what you may want, the future increases could be significant depending on where you fall within the salary range.

Agree.

 

[DD4ME]

Lol

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If you’re an eye test guy, your eyes should have seen Kobe suck the life out of several Lakers teams. He was a great one on one player, but his required usage and insistence on being the guy killed those teams. Drops a lot of spots for me because of that.

LOL. Kobe Bryant is the only player in NBA history to win back to back championships without another Top 75 player on his team. I could argue nobody has done more with less than Kobe. Those rings in 2009 and 2010 are among the most impressive in NBA history given who he had around him and who he faced in terms of 50+ win teams and the Celtics 4 Hall of Famers.

Rather than sucking the life out of teams he made everyone around him better. Just consider this. Every star who ever played alongside Kobe played their best with him. Shaq was at his best with Kobe. Gasol was at his best with Kobe. Odom played his best alongside Kobe. Even Bynum who was a one-time all-star was at his best with Kobe and without him fell off the face of the earth.

Kobe Bryant was a one on one killer. But the positive to his teammates is this style of play allowed them to play their game. Kobe didn't need his star teammates to change their game to placate his. He just needed them to get the hell out of the way. Compare that to someone like LeBron who has had stacked team after stacked team with Hall of Fame teammates. And yet most of LeBron's superstar teammates played their best without him. That's because LeBron needs guys to change their game for him to succeed. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love had to become spot up 3-point shooters instead of post-up bigs because LeBron needs spacing for his drives. D-Wade had to start playing off the ball because LeBron can only be effective when he has the ball and is running pick n rolls. And so on.

The idea Kobe takes away from his teammates shows a total lack of hoops knowledge. Kobe's probably the easiest superstar to ever play alongside. He would do his thing and let you do your thing. Versus guys like LeBron who require you as a star player to totally change your game to placate his limited playing style.

 

[99Vol]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Gather data from several sources that support your ask; National organizations that break down salaries per position and region, local sources, last resort is something like Glassdoor. Then what is your +1. How are does your skill set add value to the company.Be prepared, don’t just ask because they are prepared with responses as most everyone asks for raises… also you can give them options such as higher salary vs lower salary plus better bonus structure. Give them options to meet your needs within their ability or set structures…

 

[screenthis]

Kobe had a bunch of bums playing around him the last few years. Only time I watched Kobe quote "suck the life out of the team" was when Kobe and Shaq was having a I'm better than you competition going on from 2003-2005 . Penis measuring contest at it's finest.

Towards the end, many players did not come because of Kobe. And his salary was so high that they had less flexibility. I understand them keeping him but they would have been better off if he had left a couple years earlier.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

LOL. Kobe Bryant is the only player in NBA history to win back to back championships without another Top 75 player on his team. I could argue nobody has done more with less than Kobe. Those rings in 2009 and 2010 are among the most impressive in NBA history given who he had around him and who he faced in terms of 50+ win teams and the Celtics 4 Hall of Famers.

Rather than sucking the life out of teams he made everyone around him better. Just consider this. Every star who ever played alongside Kobe played their best with him. Shaq was at his best with Kobe. Gasol was at his best with Kobe. Odom played his best alongside Kobe. Even Bynum who was a one-time all-star was at his best with Kobe and without him fell off the face of the earth.

Kobe Bryant was a one on one killer. But the positive to his teammates is this style of play allowed them to play their game. Kobe didn't need his star teammates to change their game to placate his. He just needed them to get the hell out of the way. Compare that to someone like LeBron who has had stacked team after stacked team with Hall of Fame teammates. And yet most of LeBron's superstar teammates played their best without him. That's because LeBron needs guys to change their game for him to succeed. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love had to become spot up 3-point shooters instead of post-up bigs because LeBron needs spacing for his drives. D-Wade had to start playing off the ball because LeBron can only be effective when he has the ball and is running pick n rolls. And so on.

The idea Kobe takes away from his teammates shows a total lack of hoops knowledge. Kobe's probably the easiest superstar to ever play alongside. He would do his thing and let you do your thing. Versus guys like LeBron who require you as a star player to totally change your game to placate his limited playing style.

Kobe is not a top 5 player of all time.

 

[TheRain]

Sometimes you eat the hornet... sometimes the hornet eats you.

 

[DD4ME]

NBA fans learning to love Edey like we did.

 

[tnvols72]

 

[VolXr1]

LOL. Kobe Bryant is the only player in NBA history to win back to back championships without another Top 75 player on his team. I could argue nobody has done more with less than Kobe. Those rings in 2009 and 2010 are among the most impressive in NBA history given who he had around him and who he faced in terms of 50+ win teams and the Celtics 4 Hall of Famers.

Rather than sucking the life out of teams he made everyone around him better. Just consider this. Every star who ever played alongside Kobe played their best with him. Shaq was at his best with Kobe. Gasol was at his best with Kobe. Odom played his best alongside Kobe. Even Bynum who was a one-time all-star was at his best with Kobe and without him fell off the face of the earth.

Kobe Bryant was a one on one killer. But the positive to his teammates is this style of play allowed them to play their game. Kobe didn't need his star teammates to change their game to placate his. He just needed them to get the hell out of the way. Compare that to someone like LeBron who has had stacked team after stacked team with Hall of Fame teammates. And yet most of LeBron's superstar teammates played their best without him. That's because LeBron needs guys to change their game for him to succeed. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love had to become spot up 3-point shooters instead of post-up bigs because LeBron needs spacing for his drives. D-Wade had to start playing off the ball because LeBron can only be effective when he has the ball and is running pick n rolls. And so on.

The idea Kobe takes away from his teammates shows a total lack of hoops knowledge. Kobe's probably the easiest superstar to ever play alongside. He would do his thing and let you do your thing. Versus guys like LeBron who require you as a star player to totally change your game to placate his limited playing style.

... just say you're a Kobe guy and be done.. Kobe was never considered top 5 All Time until after he passed... those "Hall of Famers" LeBron played with was all washed besides DWade/Bosh/Love and you could say Love was on his way down when they got together. Hence why he was mainly a 3&D guy.. Dwade/Bosh were on their downside as well. They played what another yr or 2 after LeBron left Miami? AD & Kyrie stay/stayed hurt alot. Ray Allen/DRose/Dwight Howard all on their last yr or 2 in the league when they played with LeBron. Stop acting like they were in their prime when they played together. You say Kobe had bums... look at the Cavs teams LeBron CARRIED to the finals his first few times he made it to the finals. Literal ASS. Those 4 Hall of Famers the celtics had that Kobe "took down" LeBron beat em his self as well. Along with the Pistons in their hayday with Billups/Ben Wallace/TPrince.. Good thing opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

Take Pau Gasol off that Lakers team that went back to back and the lakers don't even sniff the finals either year.

 

[DD4ME]

 

[volinexile17]

LOL. Kobe Bryant is the only player in NBA history to win back to back championships without another Top 75 player on his team. I could argue nobody has done more with less than Kobe. Those rings in 2009 and 2010 are among the most impressive in NBA history given who he had around him and who he faced in terms of 50+ win teams and the Celtics 4 Hall of Famers.

Rather than sucking the life out of teams he made everyone around him better. Just consider this. Every star who ever played alongside Kobe played their best with him. Shaq was at his best with Kobe. Gasol was at his best with Kobe. Odom played his best alongside Kobe. Even Bynum who was a one-time all-star was at his best with Kobe and without him fell off the face of the earth.

Kobe Bryant was a one on one killer. But the positive to his teammates is this style of play allowed them to play their game. Kobe didn't need his star teammates to change their game to placate his. He just needed them to get the hell out of the way. Compare that to someone like LeBron who has had stacked team after stacked team with Hall of Fame teammates. And yet most of LeBron's superstar teammates played their best without him. That's because LeBron needs guys to change their game for him to succeed. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love had to become spot up 3-point shooters instead of post-up bigs because LeBron needs spacing for his drives. D-Wade had to start playing off the ball because LeBron can only be effective when he has the ball and is running pick n rolls. And so on.

The idea Kobe takes away from his teammates shows a total lack of hoops knowledge. Kobe's probably the easiest superstar to ever play alongside. He would do his thing and let you do your thing. Versus guys like LeBron who require you as a star player to totally change your game to placate his limited playing style.

Bynum fell off because of injury and was actually pretty good for several seasons.

Pau was arguably better than Kobe in 2009-10 and his career numbers aren’t that far off Kobe in two fewer season.

I will simply leave it at that because I know you’re still waiting for Dobbs to morph into a perennial Pro bowler and there’s no point arguing with you.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

LOL. Kobe Bryant is the only player in NBA history to win back to back championships without another Top 75 player on his team. I could argue nobody has done more with less than Kobe. Those rings in 2009 and 2010 are among the most impressive in NBA history given who he had around him and who he faced in terms of 50+ win teams and the Celtics 4 Hall of Famers.

Rather than sucking the life out of teams he made everyone around him better. Just consider this. Every star who ever played alongside Kobe played their best with him. Shaq was at his best with Kobe. Gasol was at his best with Kobe. Odom played his best alongside Kobe. Even Bynum who was a one-time all-star was at his best with Kobe and without him fell off the face of the earth.

Kobe Bryant was a one on one killer. But the positive to his teammates is this style of play allowed them to play their game. Kobe didn't need his star teammates to change their game to placate his. He just needed them to get the hell out of the way. Compare that to someone like LeBron who has had stacked team after stacked team with Hall of Fame teammates. And yet most of LeBron's superstar teammates played their best without him. That's because LeBron needs guys to change their game for him to succeed. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love had to become spot up 3-point shooters instead of post-up bigs because LeBron needs spacing for his drives. D-Wade had to start playing off the ball because LeBron can only be effective when he has the ball and is running pick n rolls. And so on.

The idea Kobe takes away from his teammates shows a total lack of hoops knowledge. Kobe's probably the easiest superstar to ever play alongside. He would do his thing and let you do your thing. Versus guys like LeBron who require you as a star player to totally change your game to placate his limited playing style.

In what universe were any of LeBrons Cleveland teams stacked with all stars?

Saying "LeBron need spacing for his drives" is pure insanity who tf is staying in front of him? He needs Kevin love in the corner so he can make it to the basket? You don't comprehend reality.

 

[knoxvol52]

Towards the end, many players did not come because of Kobe. And his salary was so high that they had less flexibility. I understand them keeping him but they would have been better off if he had left a couple years earlier.

When Jerry Buss passed away is when players didnt want to come to Lakers Organization. They still have that problem only reason LeBron is there is because of his marketing and Lakers gave away the future to acquire AD. Please don't get me started about that bum Westbrook who LBJ so desperately needed on the Lakers,

 

[orange parmejohn]

Lol

Is he a decent QB? I’ve never watched a snap.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Lucky for us Tony doesn’t seem like the type thst would mesh well in the MLB.

He’s definitely a kids coach rather than dealing with divas.

Precisely. That’s why I think we are blessed to have him what should be a very very long time. He will end up putting Tennessee in the position of the elite baseball program when it’s all said and done. We will be thought of like LSU and those types, as he will have numerous NCs when he’s finished here imo.