Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[OGbabyaviVol]

How can you not love this dude?! He is a treasure. We are lucky to have him. Sounds like it would take a whole lot to pull him away from TN. Maybe a MLB position would be only thing that could do it.

 

[Devo182]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

 

[TrippieRedd]

How can you not love this dude?! He is a treasure. We are lucky to have him. Sounds like it would take a whole lot to pull him away from TN. Maybe a MLB position would be only thing that could do it.

Lucky for us Tony doesn’t seem like the type thst would mesh well in the MLB.

He’s definitely a kids coach rather than dealing with divas.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Got bored so I went and put in every single player we’ve recruited since Heupel has been coach (2022-2025 classes so far) and wanted break it down by position. Yes I know Heupel was here in 21.

Average recruiting ranking by position group:
- QB: .935 (usually top 150 area)
- DL: .9145 (usually around the top 250 area)
- TE: .908(usually top 300 area)
- WR: .906 (usually top 300 area)
- OL: .8956 (usually around the 400 area)
- LB: .8933 (usually in the 400 area)
- RB: .89 (usually around the 450 area)
- Secondary: .8843 (usually in the 550 area)


This includes EVERY player that has committed to us via HS/Portal.

This shows that QB ain’t all it. So those who say well only if our QB play was better blah, blah, blah. The OL fruiting is woefully behind the QB recruiting.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

How can you not love this dude?! He is a treasure. We are lucky to have him. Sounds like it would take a whole lot to pull him away from TN. Maybe a MLB position would be only thing that could do it.

I know Arkansas fans were cocky after we win the NC that they were gonna swoop in and take Tony V away. They bragged about the Walmart and Tyson chicken money.

Love Tony V. I hope he is here for a long time.

 

[vol9799]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

My advice, having been on both sides, is to triangulate where they would be, what the market avg is for that position, and what % increase it would represent for you currently.
Internal candidates are sometimes hindered by the whole % increase negotiating tactic from their company, but knowing where the external market is gives you the ability to counter that (assuming the market supports what you want).
As for negotiating tactics, as long as you aren't unreasonably high and provided you feel good about your value, I wouldn't go low out of fear of a lowball. Other strong candidates will know their worth as well and aren't likely to give the company a materially cheaper option.
jmho

 

[volinexile17]

I'm not ranking guys based on how good they were at filling up the stat sheet. Jokic is an embarrassment defensively. His lack of defense is one of the main reasons why the Nuggets aren't an elite team in the league right now despite his otherworldly offensive numbers. Defense is 50% of the game. You can't just neglect it because it isn't as easily tracked as offensive production.

With regard to LeBron, he's only considered #2 all-time based on longevity. Similar to how Kareem used to get ranked. I don't care about longevity when rating players. I'm going by peak ability. How good were you when you were at your best. And I think Kobe Bryant at his best was a better basketball player than LeBron. Comparing bigs to perimeter players is difficult so ranking Wilt and Hakeem above LeBron is more about taste on my part for their games.

If you’re an eye test guy, your eyes should have seen Kobe suck the life out of several Lakers teams. He was a great one on one player, but his required usage and insistence on being the guy killed those teams. Drops a lot of spots for me because of that.

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Aww Devo, I remember me and you giving the blue board hell on 247(my screen name was bwoods). Now we’re all grown up, time flies

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

This shows that QB ain’t all it. So those who say well only if our QB play was better blah, blah, blah. The OL fruiting is woefully behind the QB recruiting.

The right generational QB can win it all for you, not a bad method of signing the top QB every three classes or so. One of them will pop and catapult your program. But I know you’re not interested in real discussion.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The right generational QB can win it all for you, not a bad method of signing the top QB every three classes or so. One of them will pop and catapult your program. But I know you’re not interested in real discussion.

What generational QB has won it for their team with crappy OL and WR play? Burrow? Nope. Lawrence? Nope. Jayden Daniels was a generational QB. Did he win it? Nope. Lamar Jackson was borderline generational. Did he win it? Nope. Peyton was generational. Did he win it? Nope.

I would love to have a discussion as to how you think QBs can win it by themselves.

 

[TrippieRedd]

What generational QB has won it for their team with crappy OL and WR play? Burrow? Nope. Lawrence? Nope. Jayden Daniels was a generational QB. Did he win it? Nope. Lamar Jackson was borderline generational. Did he win it? Nope. Peyton was generational. Did he win it? Nope.

I would love to have a discussion as to how you think QBs can win it by themselves.

Top of my head. The closest example would be:


2017 Bama with Hurts
- Only one WR over 300 yards
- Not sure how the OL ranked thst year
- I wouldn’t fall Hurts Generational


The next closest would be 2010 Auburn with Newton.

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

What generational QB has won it for their team with crappy OL and WR play? Burrow? Nope. Lawrence? Nope. Jayden Daniels was a generational QB. Did he win it? Nope. Lamar Jackson was borderline generational. Did he win it? Nope. Peyton was generational. Did he win it? Nope.

I would love to have a discussion as to how you think QBs can win it by themselves.

Cam Newton

 

[peaygolf]

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Top of my head. The closest example would be:


2017 Bama with Hurts
- Only one WR over 300 yards
- Not sure how the OL ranked thst year
- I wouldn’t fall Hurts Generational


The next closest would be 2010 Auburn with Newton.

Of course there will be sporadic examples. Scoot ding to Athlon sports, Bama had the second best OL in the nation behind OU in 2017. They also had a 1000 yard rusher and Calvin Ridley, Ruggs, Jeudy, Smith and Foster.

Going into the 2010 Auburn had the 4th best OL. They had 4 SRs and a JR starting on their OL. So their OL was upperclassmen heavy and very good.

 

[jave36]

What hurt Popeyes is they can never deliver timely service or consistent food. Lol the only fast food I have known people to wait an hour for. That is unsustainable.

Eh, not all of them are like that. Mine is fast but AWFUL. Like a super poor man's bojangles. The chicken is always tough and never hot.

The good ones are decent, but still well below bojangles, most of them aren't good at all.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Cam Newton

Had a too 5 returning OL from 2009. Starting 5 included 4 SRs and one JR. Two were all SEC first team guys. Anyone else?

 

[jave36]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Ask for what you're comfortable with getting. Never be unhappy that you might have gotten more as long as you got what you're happy with.

I'd ask for a range of what they were getting to 10k more than they were getting, as long as you'd be content with that range.

 

[jlawso21]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

I assume they know that you know about the other salaries. If that's the case you might make a statement like "tell me about the salary on this position, what it pays now, what are the expected steps and when". Leave up to them to explain it. If you are not satisfied, then press them a bit more. My $02, for what it's worth.

 

[screenthis]

If you’re an eye test guy, your eyes should have seen Kobe suck the life out of several Lakers teams. He was a great one on one player, but his required usage and insistence on being the guy killed those teams. Drops a lot of spots for me because of that.

Agreed especially in the last few years. He set the Lakers back. But oh those championship runs.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Ask for what you believe you're worth.

 

[knoxvol52]

Agreed especially in the last few years. He set the Lakers back. But oh those championship runs.

Kobe had a bunch of bums playing around him the last few years. Only time I watched Kobe quote "suck the life out of the team" was when Kobe and Shaq was having a I'm better than you competition going on from 2003-2005 . Penis measuring contest at it's finest.

 

[TheRain]

 

[Orange_Crush]

 

[DD4ME]

Lol

 

[DeepPurpleFloyd]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

I would carefully explain your value to them and that you know what other people in that position have been paid. I would also research similar positions at other companies in your area to try to ascertain comparison salaries and convey this information to them.
Once I had finished giving your pitch, I would then tell them that I would seriously consider taking the position if they offered me somewhere around, say ...