Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Rishvol]

March 18, 37 AD

Caligula becomes Emperor of Rome

On this day in the year 37, the Roman Senate annulled the will of the Emperor Tiberius, proclaiming 24-year-old Caligula, Emperor. After years of purges and treason trials, Caligula’s ascension to the throne was a welcome breath of fresh air. The son of the war hero Germanicus was in charge. What could go wrong. All of Rome erupted in paroxysms of joy, proclaiming Caligula to be the first emperor Ever, admired by “all the world, from the rising to the setting sun”.

160,000 animals were sacrificed in three months of public jubilation. The Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria described the first seven months as “completely blissful”.

The "Bliss" would not last........

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Nearly 2000 years later

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

There is zero comparison of Cam Ward to Will Levis in my post.

I am noting that the statement made by Fowler about what the Titans said about Ward is the exact same statement the Titans made about Levis after drafting him. It's like.... almost word for word

Yeah but still, I've heard him compared to Levis constantly the last few months all over the place. Locally and nationally. I'm just like...why is this narrative a thing? It's odd to me, especially having watched him a lot.

 

[peaygolf]

Nearly 2000 years later

He said he was born to be the Emperor and wanted to be remembered forever..............

100% success rate

 

[knoxvol52]

Agreed.

2024 - Jayden Daniels (but still TBD, one year doesn't prove it imo) - went 2nd
2023 - CJ Stroud (still TBD, great first year, came down to earth this past season) - went 2nd
2022 - no one
2021 - Trevor Lawrence
2020 - Joe Burrow (Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts pretty deep QB class)
2019 - Kyler Murray
2018 - Baker Mayfield (Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson)
2017 - Mitchell Trubisky - went 2nd (Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson
2016 - Jared Goff (Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott)
2015 - Jameis Winston (Marcus Mariota)


So really imo the last 10 years there's been a few. But a few you could argue weren't really ready to be #1 and needed time to develop.

Burrow & Mahomes both hit the ground running in their first years starting though. Most the rest it was a year or two before they hit their stride

Dak wasn't a first round pick but has started from Game 1 and had a great rookie year. I say Dakota has had a pretty good career overall just can't win in playoffs.

 

[SoilVol]

Yeah but still, I've heard him compared to Levis constantly the last few months all over the place. Locally and nationally. I'm just like...why is this narrative a thing? It's odd to me, especially having watched him a lot.

I am unaware of this. He's 1000x the player Will Levis is.

I just thought it was hilarious that the quote was the same.

 

[peaygolf]

If Cam Ward is "prime Russell Wilson" good for 10 years, draft him #1 and run with it!
It's worth it!


Also.......the last 3 "generational/can't miss" QBs (Luck, Rodgers, Lawrence) have 2 combined SBs and 1 win!

 

[DD4ME]

 

[knoxvol52]

If Cam Ward is "prime Russell Wilson" good for 10 years, draft him #1 and run with it!
It's worth it!


Also.......the last 3 "generational/can't miss" QBs (Luck, Rodgers, Lawrence) have 2 combined SBs and 1 win!

Drafting QB's is like a blind monkey throwing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks. QB is hardest position to predict success at in NFL. Ask Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell and a long list of others.

 

[GiggerVol]

I'm still of the belief that the Titans are going to draft Carter #1 and the Ward talk is all smoke and mirrors

 

[knoxvol52]

The West Virginia Governor should have other issues to worry about more than a damn NCAA tournament committee not selecting West Virginia. Priorities people ,priorities.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Tennessee vs ETSU today at 5 p.m. on SEC Network+ .


#1 ranked Vols win but I don't believe it's a blowout.

twss.
All of the points.

 

[JCVol00]

You clearly have either pre-teens and/or teenagers with that language.

Neither lol, but I am close to said age…sorta

 

[Jimmy Football]

The West Virginia Governor should have other issues to worry about more than a damn NCAA tournament committee not selecting West Virginia. Priorities people ,priorities.

Time bashing the NCAA is always time well spent.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I agree. My untrained eye sees a quarterback with a lot of talent. I think if he played for Bama, Georgia or OSU he would be the unquestioned top pick. Anyone with a brain that watched Will Levis actually play football knew his chances of success in the NFL were EXTREMELY low. The reality is success in the NFL is hard to predict and the team you go to plays a big role. The Titans have been a dumpster fire so the hill is very steep. They almost have to take the chance he’s the guy unless another team offers a lot for the pick.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that statement...but he's for sure better than Will Levis. I think had Ward played in the SEC he might not have had the same sort of success because the competition would have been a lot more difficult.

 

[JCVol00]

A real #1 overall QB is rare, imo. Maybe every 3-4 years, maybe longer.

Cam Ward drives a squatted Toyota Tundra. . .

I think Arch or Nico could be the #1 ovr qb next year talent wise. Id like to see the titans trade the #1 pick with the giants and get their 1st rounder next year, since imo it will be the #1 ovr

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I think Cam Ward can become a solid to good NFL QB...my biggest gripe is just that I don't think he's #1 overall talent. (I don't think any of the QBs are)

At best Cam Ward is Russell Wilson who went in the 3rd round.

Well then he would be an MVP, super bowl winning type of QB.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Dak wasn't a first round pick but has started from Game 1 and had a great rookie year. I say Dakota has had a pretty good career overall just can't win in playoffs.

Didn't say Dak was a first round pick, the highest drafted QB was listed first (most were 1st or 2nd picks) the rest were just the other good QBs from that draft class.

Dak as a 4th rounder has been insane value for Dallas. Would also agree he's had a good career so far. 76-46 and averaging 67% for 4300 yards and 30 TDs over 17 games is damn good.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I'm not sure I'd agree with that statement...but he's for sure better than Will Levis. I think had Ward played in the SEC he might not have had the same sort of success because the competition would have been a lot more difficult.

Except for that Florida game...

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Well then he would be an MVP, super bowl winning type of QB.

Out of college*

Guess I need to make that clear for some of you morans ( ). Out of college he seems close to Wilson, now can he develop in the NFL like Russell who knows, unlikely if he ends up being the 1st overall QB taken though. Seattle built the team around their QB and then a good value pick in the 3rd turned into a MVP & SB winning type of QB.

 

[butchna]

If Cam Ward is "prime Russell Wilson" good for 10 years, draft him #1 and run with it!
It's worth it!


Also.......the last 3 "generational/can't miss" QBs (Luck, Rodgers, Lawrence) have 2 combined SBs and 1 win!

Aaron Rodgers wasn’t really considered that…more an upside to be determined quantity. A weird draft (kind of like this one) where if he wasn’t the number one overall to a QB desperate franchise, he was going to drop in the first round to borderline second. So Niners bit on Alex Smith instead and he dropped to a team with an entrenched HOF QB.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Except for that Florida game...

Quinn Ewers should be the #1 overall pick if that's the only measuring stick...he torched them.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

4WD! With straight pipes.

And a stock cam

 

[DD4ME]

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I agree. My untrained eye sees a quarterback with a lot of talent. I think if he played for Bama, Georgia or OSU he would be the unquestioned top pick. Anyone with a brain that watched Will Levis actually play football knew his chances of success in the NFL were EXTREMELY low. The reality is success in the NFL is hard to predict and the team you go to plays a big role. The Titans have been a dumpster fire so the hill is very steep. They almost have to take the chance he’s the guy unless another team offers a lot for the pick.

The Titans have no choice but to draft him. I think it's been the obvious pick the whole time. Dude has every tool the NFL looks for and this narrative against him only exists, because he has made a handful of risky plays.

The Titans were an average QB away from being at least average last year. Levis tanked the team out of the gate and they wasted an incredible defense. They were the No.1 defense in the league for the first month even though Levis was flip 6'ing. A QB with a pulse and its a different year.

If Cam is good, just give him a decent offensive line and the Titans will be out of the dumpster immediately.

 

[screenthis]

Didn't say Dak was a first round pick, the highest drafted QB was listed first (most were 1st or 2nd picks) the rest were just the other good QBs from that draft class.

Dak as a 4th rounder has been insane value for Dallas. Would also agree he's had a good career so far. 76-46 and averaging 67% for 4300 yards and 30 TDs over 17 games is damn good.

And the next step? Can he perform in the playoffs?