Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I agree with all of that. But to say he’s a “low IQ idiot” is false

Yeah don’t like that these things turn personal. It’s okay to say he isn’t ready to be a head coach without stooping that low

 

[BigOrangeVols]

The VQ podcast today said that Barnes was doing much better yesterday afternoon. Rob Lewis said he spoke to him directly.

Thank you for the update. Very glad to hear.

 

[jakez4ut]

We are dodging Vandy..........Vandy! We are at an all time low, screw it all. Let it burn.

sometimes the only way to win, is not to play.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

He ain’t going anywhere. Best get some real assistants that he doesn’t have to micro manage and keep the phones going to keep this class together.

It’s sad. We thought we had those

 

[jakez4ut]

If you think about it they haven’t had to care cause Phil was at the helm. When that ship started to sink they hadn’t had to deal with a search before, especially a Top 10 program like TN once was.

I don’t think they realized what it took to keep a program at the top cause Phil always kinda controlled a lot of it. When Phil was let go they were left with their thumbs in theirs butts. Then when you make one hire and he bolts after a year, you panic and scramble to save face and money instead of going out and spending the money the first time to get who you want and who can lead us to Championships.

Then it just spiraled out of control and then we became the laughing stock of CFB and a example of what NOT TO DO.

I think it’s gonna take them throwing 50-70 million at a coach kinda like A&M. But then the “Control” issue also remains cause in places like Fl, A&M, OSU, Bama, the coach has A LOT of control, here that’s not the case. It’s a toxic dynamic when you can’t do what you want with Salaries and coaches.
And believe me, coaches talk, and they know how it is here and from what I’ve heard most won’t come cause they are micromanaged to an extent.

So that HAS TO CHANGE, or we are gonna be 4-8 year end year out with a 8-5 ceiling. And that’s the cold hard TRUTH.

All of y’all know what is going on. It’s been said here numerous times.

Anyways, maybe things will change but for now it’s pretty much the same way it’s been for a decade. Phil is making headway but he still has PLENTY of obstacles.

yup

 

[SLICKYINC]

Ok, I’ve talked myself off of the coaching change train. I don’t think we make a move this year. Now who do we get for the DL and LB coaches?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I know you hear things from time to time, so is this based on something you’ve heard?

I don’t have any connections to the program. I receive a nugget or two about recruiting from time to time. That’s all.

 

[Aesius]

Ok, I’ve talked myself off of the coaching change train. I don’t think we make a move this year. Now who do we get for the DL and LB coaches?

Some guys who are okay with looking for jobs again in 12 months

 

[scvolfan7]

Some guys who are okay with looking for jobs again in 12 months

That we pay way above market for

 

["It's Time"]

All the names, and John Currie tried to trot out Schiano. That’s how these searches work.

So many options, and our choice won’t be on the list.

 

[KB5252]

sometimes the only way to win, is not to play.

And that's a loser move that only perpetuates a loser mentality.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

What I don't get...and what baffles me most.

Even if you are micromanaged with staffing etc. if you recruit top 25 talent and you are able to develop that talent the on the field product shouldn't be "4-8" level. 6-6 or 7-5 sure, I can see that because there are 5-6 teams we play each week that if you're not "on point" then you can slip up.

We play Bama, Georgia, FL every year and usually we schedule a big name OOC game. Then you got teams like Missouri/Kentucky/South Carolina that have had better coaches and superior talent so they aren't always easy wins. The 2nd West team is never a given, and with Lane/Leach in Mississippi & Pittman at Arkansas it's not going to be any easier having an easy win with that 2nd SEC West team going forward.

STILL with all that being said...we as a program should have 6 or 7 wins every year if you got top 25 classes and a staff that can develop talent, regardless of how "elite" they are or aren't. So to me it seems more likely that Pruitt & co. are either oversold as talent developers or absolutely sticking a middle finger up at the "higher ups" that want to micromanage things.

 

[butchna]

Yep. But as long as fans and recruits can watch, every game counts.

It’s a reference to a preseason sentiment people actually BELIEVED on here.

 

[Kingston Vol]

If you think about it they haven’t had to care cause Phil was at the helm. When that ship started to sink they hadn’t had to deal with a search before, especially a Top 10 program like TN once was.

I don’t think they realized what it took to keep a program at the top cause Phil always kinda controlled a lot of it. When Phil was let go they were left with their thumbs in theirs butts. Then when you make one hire and he bolts after a year, you panic and scramble to save face and money instead of going out and spending the money the first time to get who you want and who can lead us to Championships.

Then it just spiraled out of control and then we became the laughing stock of CFB and a example of what NOT TO DO.

I think it’s gonna take them throwing 50-70 million at a coach kinda like A&M. But then the “Control” issue also remains cause in places like Fl, A&M, OSU, Bama, the coach has A LOT of control, here that’s not the case. It’s a toxic dynamic when you can’t do what you want with Salaries and coaches.
And believe me, coaches talk, and they know how it is here and from what I’ve heard most won’t come cause they are micromanaged to an extent.

So that HAS TO CHANGE, or we are gonna be 4-8 year end year out with a 8-5 ceiling. And that’s the cold hard TRUTH.

All of y’all know what is going on. It’s been said here numerous times.

Anyways, maybe things will change but for now it’s pretty much the same way it’s been for a decade. Phil is making headway but he still has PLENTY of obstacles.

What has been made increasingly apparent is Fulmer wasn't as inept as we thought in 2008 and our success had more to do with him than the program around him.

We all kind of assumed he was wasting the brand - turns out he was keeping it afloat.

 

[drvenner]

I think this staff can sell that they didn't take this season seriously, that they used it to try and develop players towards the future. They didn't really care about wins this season. Used it as a big skrimage. Whether true or not I think they can spin it that way. I think playing the games insures an implosion of the class. Not playing gives them a chance.

I think that argument has to be somewhat out the window because I have yet to see any player development this year. That, combined with an apparent aversion to playing more young guys like HB, makes that argument ridiculously weak.

 

[Jimmy Football]

there's a significant opportunity for significant blow back for hiring hugh freeze when we stood on our pulpit and shouted down hiring Schiano.....i'd get familiar with the word 'hypocrite' just in case. that could be a black eye we're not willing to deal with, perception wise in the media or on the recruiting trail.

We’ve been mocked, harangued, derided, lied about, etc. by the sports media for what seems like forever. Go watch the College Gameday elevator commercial again. That should let you know how much of a s**t I give about the media calling us hypocrites.

I want to win. I want to hire someone that will get us out of this miserable cycle of hiring and firing. If Freeze can do that (and I believe there’s a reasonable chance he can, or at least as good as we’ve had in a long while), I think we can manage a bad op-ed or two.

 

[Govolsman98]

@85SugarVol told us why Kingston is interested in them last night.

Wait why is that? Sorry I'm a slow person

 

[HankHill]

The only thing standing in the way of Tennessee hiring Freeze is Tennessee.

What are they afraid of?

Hurting the reputation of the program? It’s probably as low as it’s ever been right now.

Freeze failing? We’ve been mired in failure for going on 15 years.

NCAA issues? They’re basically toothless anymore, and we’ve been on de facto self-imposed probation for a while now.

SEC approval? Maybe, but they don’t seem to be big fans of ours anyway.

this lol. People are really scared “that it could get worse” . Like we aren’t already a doormat that can’t come within 2 TDs of any opponent of merit except for a fluke auburn win and y’all are worried about the unknown of a different coach not named freeze. I’d rather have butch or Dooley back at this point.

 

[drvenner]

Vandy beat writer on Basilio now saying Tennessee pushed hard to have this game canceled

By all means, we should believe everything a Vandy beat writer says. I mean, what could possibly motivate such a professional to bias his opinion in any way?

 

[MwB]

The best part about being an SEC coach is having 2-3 decades of experience with the sport and being called an idiot by random people on a message board who have probably never made it past the HS level of the game

I mean I’m all for going and getting freeze but damn this is some hillbilly nonsense

I don't think a person needs to make it past a high school level of the game to know that if you are repeatedly being blown out, then something needs to change.

Pruitt didn't have head coach experience but he does have coordinator experience at winning programs. It is insane that he continues to do the same thing over and over while the losses continue to pileup, given his prior experience.

I can only assume the coaching staff didn't think the season would be played so they just didn't prepare like they should have. I can't really think of any other explanation for what is happening on the field.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Wait why is that? Sorry I'm a slow person

Ask Kingston

 

[jakez4ut]

And that's a loser move that only perpetuates a loser mentality.

yeah...but we don't lose, by not playing........so.....there's that.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

By all means, we should believe everything a Vandy beat writer says. I mean, what could possibly motivate such a professional to bias his opinion in any way?

You're free to believe what you want

 

[SLICKYINC]

@Bassmaster_Vol Who you replacing Weinke with?

 

[BruinVol]

Wait why is that? Sorry I'm a slow person

He is a fan of affirmative action