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orange parmejohn said:
TB said that Sexton is urging Pruitt to not back down to UT. That doesn't make sense but seems to be pretty specific info to make up out of thin air.
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It makes perfect sense, Sexton wouldn't advocate for any of his clients to take a negotiated buyout bc that would mean his pockets would get lighter. Pretty simple.

And no, this does not reflect anything that I've gleaned or been told.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm in line at the testing center now. One of my employees' wife tested positive. He's showing symptoms and is getting tested as we speak.
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Yeah - our entire family has been around in some fashion or form. Testing and retesting. So far the SIL's family has it and they are quarantining to keep it away from our daughter's family. He's a LEO and around it daily - but has not come down with it so far. The PD told him to isolate away from as many people as possible when on his shift, just go on serious calls. Our daughter's been around it constantly working part time in a day care - but has not come down with it. A BIL and his wife had it bad, but have recovered. Strange times.
 
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TB is talking with Marcos Garza about how this could be playing out behind the scenes legally. Basically spitballing that UT is going to present Pruitt with the compliance violations and say we have reason to fire you for cause, let's negotiate a number somewhere between $0 and the full buyout that we can both live with and go our separate ways. Jimmy Sexton is going to be an impediment to negotiating, because Sexton doesn't want to set a precedent for the coach-favorable deals that he gets for his clients that are loaded up with failure money. If the case isn't strong enough and they fire him for cause, Pruitt might have a claim for wrongful termination which in a worst-case scenario carries treble damages. So both sides have some leverage depending on the specific facts, which no one knows.

Interestingly, Sean Sinclair referenced a completely different issue that Pruitt has that is separate and apart from the NCAA compliance issues. Said it reflects really poorly on Pruitt. Also mentioned it on the post-game show Saturday, but never any specifics. Wonder if this has anything to do with the long-rumored "event over the summer" that our board insiders have referenced?
 
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ob79 said:
Larry hasn't been optimistic about our chances in football since '02... he's like @Catbone with insider information.
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In all fairness we haven't been very good in all but a handful of years since 02 so maybe he's right.
orange parmejohn said:
TB said that Sexton is urging Pruitt to not back down to UT. That doesn't make sense but seems to be pretty specific info to make up out of thin air.
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That doesn't make sense, a new coach = new contract and money for Sexton. Why would he work against his own interests when he knows we pay so well?
 
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I’ve given it up people.

Pruitt will get another year to prove himself with staff turnovers. He’s Fulmer’s guy.

I’ll gladly eat crow if I’m wrong but my confidence level has went down to zero.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I hate this dumb ****...we will be here again in three years and I am sick of it. At some point we are going to have to give somebody time to actually build something.
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I don't disagree, but what did you see that leads you to the conclusion that Pruitt can do that? They clearly regressed. What he's building I don't want.
 
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Off topic...

I would like to get a puppy for my son. I love dogs, had them all my life but they were outside dogs. I'm allergic to dogs. I want to get him one that we can keep inside. That means small and hypoallergenic. No shedding either. Also I would rather not spend $1000 on a dog. I've looked at yorkies but they seem expensive.

Suggestions?


Also, I'm not against a rescue but I need to be confident that it's a hypoallergenic breed.
 
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Batman1948 said:
I think there is a good reason and it has to do with his contract. This entire deal could run between $20 and $30 million for buyouts and replacements. That's a lot of money in this economy, even for the wealthy.
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Endowments are at all time highs with the stock market. Assets are incredibly inflated and at all time highs. A multi billion dollar portfolio we are talking about a few basis points here and there to fund the buyouts and new deals. Also gifting at all time highs anticipating higher income, capital gains and estate taxes. We have the money.
 
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KB5252 said:
In all fairness we haven't been very good in all but a handful of years since 02 so maybe he's right.

That doesn't make sense, a new coach = new contract and money for Sexton. Why would he work against his own interests when he knows we pay so well?
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Still less money for him.

Current buyout + New Coach = More money

Negotiated buyout + New Coach = Less money.
 
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From TBs Facebook page

Merry Christmas Wednesday...

On The Football Front:

All's Quiet On The Hill:

Well not exactly but the thunderous boom we've all been waiting for hasn't occurred yet. When/If it does remains to be seen. Nothing that's occurred in the time since we've last been together has me believing Jeremy Pruitt is any closer to returning as UT's coach.

Chaos In The Building:

Many coaches have left Tennessee for Christmas break while others are out with Covid-19. And some are getting ready to leave altogether. I was told yesterday that Jeremy Pruitt was asking his superiors about the possibility of hiring a replacement for Will Friend but was told not to do anything right now. That's not a good sign for Pruitt's future in Knoxville.

Manning Doesn't Like Appearing Here:

But if/when the Tennessee job opens, he's going to help lead the search. Phillip Fulmer is going to be completely marginalized if/when it comes to finding Jeremy Pruitt's successor.

How Marginalized Is Fulmer?

I was told that staff members are growing in frustration because internally Tennessee's ship feels like one that is rudderless while sailing out to sea. Will Friend allegedly wasn't offered another contract nor any assurances of getting one so he jumped at the chance to reunite with Mike Bobo who's going to remain the OC at South Carolina under Shane Beamer. I was told that Fulmer has told the remaining staff members around the complex nada while Tennessee plots their next move with regards too Pruitt.

Can Tennessee Bring Pruitt Back?

I suppose Pruitt could come back......but it would feel like a real Houdini job at this point. I can't find anybody among the booster base nor within that program that feels certain that Pruitt is returning. In fact Will Friend told at least one offensive lineman from the team yesterday that this group of coaches 'will be done soon.' Does this mean that Will Friend thinks this or has been told this? My guess is the former. Perhaps he was telling one of his players this so as to lessen the blow of his departure or not to face the music of leaving his players.<BR>

A Mess In Knoxville?

Yes. Parting with or considering parting with a coach is never a clean and easy thing to do. That this potential break-up has gotten out to the public before Tennessee wanted it out has created a sticky situation. I'll give Tennessee's brass credit for not lying to Pruitt and telling him (at least to this point) that he's safe and back for 2021.

Four Potential Outcomes Of Pruitt & Vols:

1) Run It Back:</span>

This one seems the least likely of the scenarios on the board but it seems like the cleanest or maybe easiest choice. Then again the blood behind the scenes here has to be bad going both ways and each passing day has to augment the toxicity. Forget the thought on clean and easy. Bringing Pruitt back at this point would be awkward with what's going on behind the scenes. It could still happen but it would be really strange and strained at this point.

2) Fire Pruitt For Cause & Negotiate:</span>

Perhaps Tennessee offers Pruitt half of what he's due and takes the 4 plus million dollars in savings and puts it toward the next coaching staff. Marcos Garza is going to join me today to discuss the way this might play out if Tennessee decides to go there with Pruitt.

3) Fire Pruitt & Pay Full Amount:

This would be the second most costly outcome of the fourth potentials. This would be probably the cleanest and easiest way to make all this go away. Tennessee could always borrow the money if a booster doesn't step forward to offer to pony up the buyout money.

4) Fire Pruitt For Cause & Pay Him Next To Nothing:

If at the end of Tennessee's investigation they could determine that Jeremy Pruitt is worthy of termination due to malfeasance. At this point Tennessee's side of this could be that they don't owe him a dime. See Donnie Tyndall for more. That's exactly what occurred with him. Jeremy Pruitt and his counsel would undoubtedly sue Tennessee for wrongful termination. Under this scenario Tennessee could end up owing Pruitt $36 million if they lose in federal court. I guess anything is possible.

When Does This Come To A Close?

My guess is that we're going to hear something at least by the first of the year. My inkling is that this won't go on for more than 10 more days. One way or another a resolution will come.<

Good News For Tennessee's Future:

De'Shawn Rucker announced last night that he signed with the Vols during last week's early signing period. The timing is really strange on this one but whether it's Pruitt or not, Tennessee is getting a really nice player here. Rucker who's ranked the #417 nationally and only a 3 star player (composite) by 24/7 is completely underrated.

We're Talking Tennessee Basketball With You:

As soon as tonight's game ends on Garza Law Tennessee Basketball Overtime. Tennessee is going for all time history tonight.

Will The High Scoring Vols Make History Tonight?

Tennessee has never had 3 straight 100-point games. Closest is scoring 108, 99 and 115 in consecutive games vs Columbia, Missouri and Vermont in December 1974 (with Rodney Woods at PG). Then scored 96 vs Auburn in their next game. Rodney Woods shoutout!!!! Gawwww.....That Tennessee legend is a Basilio Show freak....And he's classic and a great coach to boot.

Tonight's Opponent SC Upstate is 0-7 coming into tonight. Upstate has surrendered at least 90 points 4 of their 7 games. They gave up 95 and 107 points to Winthrop in back to back games earlier in December. The Vols will have a shot to leave an all time mark tonight.

Links And Thoughts:

Hugh Freeze Was Never In It:

At Auburn. I'll say this for Auburn's hire of Bryan Harsin of Boise State....He followed Gus at Arkansas State and now he's following him at Auburn but he's one thin skinned guy. An industry source said last night that a concern about him is that he's one of these Twitter name searching coaches that engages in back and forth with fans. How that plays at Auburn remains to be seen. His record shoes that he does win games. Will he win enough at Auburn to satisfy those crazy people? I guess that's the $21 million question. It should be pointed out that Harsin is not a Jimmy Sexton client so I'm guessing the Freeze noise prior to the hire was either Hugh or Jimmy (or both) having some fun by keeping his name alive. "
 
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Dudley Smith said:
TB is talking with Marcos Garza about how this could be playing out behind the scenes legally. Basically spitballing that UT is going to present Pruitt with the compliance violations and say we have reason to fire you for cause, let's negotiate a number somewhere between $0 and the full buyout that we can both live with and go our separate ways. Jimmy Sexton is going to be an impediment to negotiating, because Sexton doesn't want to set a precedent for the coach-favorable deals that he gets for his clients that are loaded up with failure money. If the case isn't strong enough and they fire him for cause, Pruitt might have a claim for wrongful termination which in a worst-case scenario carries treble damages. So both sides have some leverage depending on the specific facts, which no one knows.

Interestingly, Sean Sinclair referenced a completely different issue that Pruitt has that is separate and apart from the NCAA compliance issues. Said it reflects really poorly on Pruitt. Also mentioned it on the post-game show Saturday, but never any specifics. Wonder if this has anything to do with the long-rumored "event over the summer" that our board insiders have referenced?
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I thought that I remembered them saying there was two different issues going on over there. What was the rumored event over the summer?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Off topic...

I would like to get a puppy for my son. I love dogs, had them all my life but they were outside dogs. I'm allergic to dogs. I want to get him one that we can keep inside. That means small and hypoallergenic. No shedding either. Also I would rather not spend $1000 on a dog. I've looked at yorkies but they seem expensive.

Suggestions?


Also, I'm not against a rescue but I need to be confident that it's a hypoallergenic breed.
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Miniature Schnauzer
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Off topic...

I would like to get a puppy for my son. I love dogs, had them all my life but they were outside dogs. I'm allergic to dogs. I want to get him one that we can keep inside. That means small and hypoallergenic. No shedding either. Also I would rather not spend $1000 on a dog. I've looked at yorkies but they seem expensive.

Suggestions?


Also, I'm not against a rescue but I need to be confident that it's a hypoallergenic breed.
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Poodle
 
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Aesius said:
This guy has done so much damage to UT
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No, Our own admin/boosters have done that.

Sexton just plays the game. And he happens to be better at it than anyone else. And apparently is 1000x smarter than the entirety of the aforementioned admin/boosters put together.
 
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