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SSVol said:
Then we disagree.

Pruitt isn't family. Fulmer is. He's lost his job. There is no reason to also destroy his legacy.
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There's also no reason to trot his ass up there and throw him a parade for this absolute cluster **** of a situation that is on him.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm not saying Phil played a role in this specific scandal of paying players.

I'm saying Phil played a role in 1) the initial falling off of the program in the late 2000s and 2) he hired Pruitt/listened to people who told him he should hire Pruitt.
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1)Thats like holding Bobby Bowden accountable for FSU's problems now. Don't be ridiculous.
2) did you forget the details of the last search?
 
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KPT_VFL said:
Kiffin and Freeze are the best shots!!
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That's where I'm at.

1A.Freeze- not sure if UT will, after Plowman's press conference. Still my #1.
1B.Kiffin- I don't trust him but I know he would turn us around quickly.

2. Bill O'Brien- I'm impressed with how he handled PSU

3.Chadwell- I like him but this ain't Myrtle
Beach.

I'm out on Napier, Malzahn, and Herman.

*Ingram needs to be the AD hire.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
True, but maybe that’s not well known to everyone. I just don’t think you fire Fulmer twice. On paper the good outweighs the bad. Especially when he’s the last coach to bring anything good to the program at all.
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I suppose the only negative thing that could outweigh a national title is bringing the program down in some kind of Penn St/Baylor-type scandal. Phil hasn't done that. So it isn't that the bad outweighs the good, I agree with that.

However, the program initially declined under his watch (the first 2 losing seasons in this saga were his), and when he was brought back into the fold 10 years later as AD he hired a terrible HC that when all is said and one will get the program nailed with significant penalties.

IMO, Phil's legacy at this point is quite mixed, even though he won a national title and 150+ games here.
 
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BearCat204 said:
There's also no reason to trot his ass up there and throw him a parade for this absolute cluster **** of a situation that is on him.
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I don't disagree with that, but I think I understand what they were trying to do. Good intent, but I grant no style points.
 
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volfaninpa said:
Napier apparently is going to try and wait it out for LSU, Florida, Clemson, or Alabama.

Isn't Neal Brown 4 years ago similar to Napier? I know he hasn't coached across the country as much, but they strike me as being similar. Any coach that can take Troy into LSU and win has me intrigued. West Virginia is a hard place to win at. If the first tier of most of our coaching wants fall through, I think UT could do worse than Neal Brown.
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We could do a lot better than Neal Brown
 
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jp1 said:
1)Thats like holding Bobby Bowden accountable for FSU's problems now. Don't be ridiculous.
2) did you forget the details of the last search?
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No it isn't. After Bowden stepped aside Jimbo won a national title a few years later, then Jimbo wrecked the program. Not the same thing.
 
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It appears we finally have good leadership in place in the Chancellor and President positions. Been a long time coming. Need a strong AD now. Then a strong HC.
And all the FU money boosters need to get the hell out of the way and let them do their jobs. As those on here who know can confirm, our problems go back to when our strong AD, Doug Dickey retired, and the FU money boosters escalated their infighting about who called the shots, with weak ADs and Admins caught in the crossfire. Not taking up for PF (cause the buck stops with him as HC), but that is part of what happened that contributed to the downward spiral in the mid 2000s. PF did not have the backup support. Back when Bama was a $hitshow, it was booster infighting over control with weak AD/Admins that led to their revolving door of coaches and averageness. Have you heard about Bama boosters much since Saban planted his flag? No. Get the right people in charge and let them do their damn job Tennessee. We now have a start to the process.
Let's finish the cleansing with a strong AD and strong coach who both want to be here; for a long time. Period. AD position will be filled this week. Mark Ingram or Jon Gilbert would both appear to be good hires for AD.
Maybe the search committee finds someone else out of left field that checks all the boxes even better. Then find us The Right Coach. Everybody who loves the Orange needs to row the boat in the same direction now.
 
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BearCat204 said:
There's also no reason to trot his ass up there and throw him a parade for this absolute cluster **** of a situation that is on him.
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I‘m still trying to figure out why they took questions yesterday. I thought the statements that Plowman and Boyd gave were enough, probably overkill actually. Then you have Fulmer up there having to answer questions describing Pruitt’s tenure and having no place to go with any of the answers. I really don’t understand why we keep repeating the same mistakes. They did this same sort of thing w/ the Title 9 round table deal. It comes across as very uncomfortable.
 
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