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I'm surprised the people pro-Elliot have not brought up the 2017 Clemson team as a counter-argument that it's easy to look good with generational QBs -

Their 2017 offense averaged 430 yards and 33.3 points per game, including nine games of scoring 30+. The offense didn't really have talent that was out of this world either.

Their offensive line-up:

QB: Kelly Bryant - serviceable/mediocre - was further proven by average play at Mizzou.
RB: True Fr Travis Etienne and Tavien Feaster (was ho-hum at SoCar)
WR: Hunter Renfroe, Deon Cain, Ray-Ray McCloud
TE: Milan Richard
OL: Mitch Hyatt, Taylor Hearn, Justin Falcinelli, Tyrone Crowder (all undrafted), and Treymane Anchrum (7th round)

I mean, we currently have more talent on our offense than this.

That being said, I like Elliot and would fully support him, but agreed that it's a massive risk and don't know if someone without HC experience is what we need right now. ultimately, I do not think we hire him unless we swing and miss alot.

Anyway, just another viewpoint when looking at Elliot that isn't being taken into consideration.

easier to win over there
 
Saban took over a dumpster Alabama didnt he?
They were so desperate that the guy sent to bring Saban to Alabama was told "If the plane returns without Saban, you better not be on it". That pretty much tells you how bad they wanted Saban. There was so much secrecy in that hire that it was almost like CIA stuff :):)
 
Just a couple quick thoughts on Elliott...

His offenses actually have outperformed the talent level at Clemson. We've seen them land a couple top 5 classes here recently, but they haven't had Bama/Georgia level talent as a whole up until now. Sure the offenses have benefited from having fantastic QBs along the way, but they were elite with Kelly Bryant at the spot too.

Here's a summary of year-by-year efficiency rankings from ESPN, together with 247 talent composite numbers. Remember, these are adjusted for pace/SOS, so you can remove those factors from the calculation.

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A couple quick notes here:
1. Check out the overall efficiency numbers here. It's rare to see overall and offense consistently so high together, because often highly-efficient offenses score quickly, putting more strain on the defense. This is the hallmark of a gimmicky, pace-dependent, offense. It's difficult to pair a solid defense with it, which is how you get the Big XII...

For the record, Kiffin's offenses at Alabama accomplished this as well, but to a much lower degree. While the team's overall metrics were top 5 from 2014-2016, only 2014 featured a top 15 offense, and they declined each year, winding up at 24 in 2016. Kiffin's offenses at FAU / Mississippi seem more Big 12-ish, culminating in a 5th offense / 112th defense split that is pretty horrifying.

I think this says a lot about a OC's ability to actually scheme in ways other than quickening the pace. That was the task for Kiffin at 'Bama, and he did well, but the offensive efficiency at Clemson since Elliott has been pretty exceptional.

2. Efficiency has become remarkably better and more consistent since moving from Morris to Elliott as the primary play-caller, and he is the primary play-caller, and has been since 2015.

3. Elliott has been pursued for HC and NFL jobs at a different level than Pruitt. While both had/have impressive resumes as coordinators, that speaks to something that reputable organizations see in Elliott that makes them think he's qualified for being more than a coordinator, something other programs certainly didn't see in Pruitt. If Danny White thinks this as well, given his track record I'd feel pretty confident there's something to that.

All-in-all, thanks for sticking it out with another nerd post, it's been a while since I've done one of these. I'd also rather have an accomplished head coach that's overperformed with less (i.e. Campbell for sure...) but I don't see anything here that makes me think Elliott is re-treading the Pruitt road at all.
You brought that 🔥🔥🔥
 
What if we hire Bob Stoops as hc, Toney Elliot as Assistant hc, stoops says he is only staying for 3 years to build the program up, then retires again then we hand the reigns to Elliot
In that scenario, Elliot would still have been an OC with no head coaching experience. You just changed Dabo for Bob.
 
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