Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[InVOLuntary]

That's a @jakez4ut text if I've ever seen one.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

We finally have a reporter, Ryan Callahan, confirm that Tennessee is playing with big money. $8 million is a hell of a lot of cash. You jump to top 3, right? If we carry that big of bag and just go down the list of the top 5 - 15 HCs, someone's bound to say yes.

Obligatory that’s a lot of Happy Meals.

 

[CoachClick]

Stoerner:

"I don’t have anything useful this morning, and I’m hesitant to speculate given how pitched things seem to be around here. My friend said that signing a coach prior to late signing day/Spring practice will cause problems for the school that gets left. Trying to take staff etc is a particularly delicate thing given that it is still a reputation business. It sounds like they’re trying to get those details sorted. He still thinks the team will hear today, but he has no information on time etc. It remains almost impossible to get any details right now. I apologize if I created inaccurate expectation on timing. I assume they’ll be a team meeting today followed by a presser, but frankly I can’t get anything solid right now."

I pray this is the case...I have to get some work done eventually this week.

 

[Girth Brooks]

After 12 years and 4-coaching-search
-cycles later, UT has finally found a way to make planes untraceable. Coming soon to a runway near you.

 

[BubbaWms]

My demand is a P5 coach that has won 3 NC’s at 3 different SEC schools before he retires....”So let it be written, So let itt be done”

 

[KeyVol14]

I can’t believe we still haven’t heard anything yet. It’s almost as if the media will say we have a press conference and that’s when we will find out who we hired. No public service announcement on the hire at all

 

[eVOLve]

Here's a funny thought.... Think about Wanya & Key transferring to Oklahoma... Would be hilarious if we hired Lincoln Riley (it's not happening, but it's funny to think about).....

Kinda like if Ty Chandler transferred to be with an RB coach he likes and that coach decided to bolt... oh wait.

 

[Dudley Smith]

I would echo those who have advised to have patience and try to find the positive in whatever outcome this search takes us. Almost every candidate has a case that can be made for and against them, and it will simply be better for your own mental health to focus on the upside of whatever candidate DW hires. You aren't going to change that coach's trajectory here by raging about it, so try and enjoy the honeymoon as much as possible. Don't let your belief that the guy will fail in three years make you miserable before that even actually happens. Try to have some faith that DW has a great track record and knows what he is doing.

As for the Tom Herman posts, for all we know he could be under consideration and DW just has everything in an air-tight vault. If Herman isn't under consideration, despite being available, not requiring a buyout, and having a winning career record, that means that a well-connected AD like Danny White has done his due diligence on Herman and found out that his character flaws off the field are quite likely much larger than just stepping on the toes of a few overbearing Texas boosters.

 

[govols24]

We finally have a reporter, Ryan Callahan, confirm that Tennessee is playing with big money. $8 million is a hell of a lot of cash. You jump to top 3, right? If we carry that big of bag and just go down the list of the top 5 - 15 HCs, someone's bound to say yes.

Not necessarily. All of these coaches are already making big money. I think they care more about their legacy than going from 4 or 5 million dollars to 8 million dollars. If they think coming here would end poorly, they’ll just stay where they’re at regardless of how much money we offer.

 

[neuteboomt]

Yes, some don't like the way it was all orchestrated. Hiring Pruitt was a terrible choice, exacerbated by other bad choices. You can make a problem go away or you can make it worse.

Sounds very similar to all our coaching searches.

 

[Headvol]

It seems like virtually every game the played against a high quality team or coach they came out on the losing in. What are Herman’s best 3 wins at texas in 4 years?

Oklahoma (regular season), WVU, and UGA bowl game?

Compared to where we’ve been the last 15 years it’s a damn take for sure. Not saying he’s the best take but much better than a guy that’s never been a HC

 

[Volbucky]

Yes, some don't like the way it was all orchestrated. Hiring Pruitt was a terrible choice, exacerbated by other bad choices. You can make a problem go away or you can make it worse.

Lol

 

[jakez4ut]

Oh, I never had the unrealistic, jump straight to the top, expectations.
But there's a big gap between that and just repeatedly cutting off our own legs.

Personal experience excluded of course

i'll never be able to unsee that.....glad you're still kickin'....lol.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

I think the key to Campbell isn't just his salary. I think you throw in a hefty signing bonus but even more than that I think you double the pool of money available for his staff. According to data from USA Today, his current staff is paid a collective amount around $4.6m. Ours was a bit over $6m. Make that $9m so it's not just about Matt; It's also about the men who work for him. I could be wrong but I don't think ISU can compete in a bidding war with us if we went that direction but I also think the difference has to be more than just a bit higher. Again, I could be wrong, but I think Matt is the Jon Gruden of this search and at some point if we don't catch lightning in a bottle we may have to make someone the highest paid coach in all of college football if we want to get out of our rut. Hopefully that would be someone that almost everyone thinks can do the job and not someone we all have to hope can survive. We need a guy who is universally perceived as the absolute best hire of the season and we shouldn't be embarrassed by what we have to spend, if we do in fact have FU money to spend. jmo.

 

[HankHill]

Money alone isn't going to buy our way out of this. UT is a hornet's nest, admin just whacked it with a big stick, the NCAA will take another swing and some coaches don't want to get caught up in the swarm. Trying to buy guys who really don't want to be at UT likely leads to more instability.

Right now, UT has incompatible goals. Moving forward means reconciling that.

It’s becoming more and more obvious that money alone is not enough to make good coaches leave comfortable situations. There’s something to be said for guys like Campell, fleck, fitzgerald for instance.... they are making good money and are basically heroes if they win 8 games.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Stoerner:

"I don’t have anything useful this morning, and I’m hesitant to speculate given how pitched things seem to be around here. My friend said that signing a coach prior to late signing day/Spring practice will cause problems for the school that gets left. Trying to take staff etc is a particularly delicate thing given that it is still a reputation business. It sounds like they’re trying to get those details sorted. He still thinks the team will hear today, but he has no information on time etc. It remains almost impossible to get any details right now. I apologize if I created inaccurate expectation on timing. I assume they’ll be a team meeting today followed by a presser, but frankly I can’t get anything solid right now."

I pray this is the case...I have to get some work done eventually this week.

I mean it does look really bad to leave a day before of day of NSD. Also looks bad to leave day after lol. Kind of pick your poison. I think some prefer to leave after as at least your school can hold on to players. What does help is not as many kids even still out there with early signing period

 

[PeerlessVol]

Ok not to freak anyone out but that UT plane is getting ready to land in Memphis

What airport? Just making sure it isn’t one of the smaller regional ones we have.

 

[BigSteve09]

We are throwing big money around because we have to. Because our program is a mess with the NCAA hammer hanging over it. What would be a $4-$6M hire for any other school has to be a $7-$8M hire for us because our floor for negotiations is "please, coach, help us"

 

[HankHill]

Compared to where we’ve been the last 15 years it’s a damn take for sure. Not saying he’s the best take but much better than a guy that’s never been a HC

I think it’s a very fair question if he can even replicate the success that he did at texas here. Texas “should” be much easier to win at than here. Idk everything that goes on behind the scenes and what kind of control/power the head coach actually has there tho.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Unpopular take: Elliot will make a better HC than Chadwell

It's tougher to be the best coordinator in the country than it is to win games at a nobody school.

Incorrect. It's easy being a coordinator with a generational QB playing alongside superior talent in an inferior conference. Half of us could call plays and still win games at Clemson right now.

 

[Sleegro]

FYI, using the word whale during this coaching search is so cringe. It sounds just like the Gruden threads and a lot of those same posters are in here right now posting the same dumbass stuff from the last 2 searches.

We should go the Danny White / big fish route. Whales aren't fish. Sharks are. Great White.

 

[McGeesPub]

Unpopular take: Elliot will make a better HC than Chadwell

It's tougher to be the best coordinator in the country than it is to win games at a nobody school.

Maybe. I think one thing about Elliott is he would have us at a higher talent level quicker given how embedded Clemson is with elite Tennessee high schoolers now.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Unpopular take: Elliot will make a better HC than Chadwell

It's tougher to be the best coordinator in the country than it is to win games at a nobody school.

So, Chadwell took over a team and in it's 3rd year in FBS won 11 games, beat a really good BYU team and ended up AP Coach of the year. He had to develop his guys from pretty much scratch to get where he was vs. a guy whos been at Clemson with QBs by the name of Watson and Lawrence.

 

[OrangeDrip]

After 12 years and four coaching-search cycles later, UT has finally found a way to make planes untraceable. Coming soon to a runway near you.

There’s some on here who would still find a way.

 

[orange parmejohn]

I mean it does look really bad to leave a day before of day of NSD. Also looks bad to leave day after lol. Kind of pick your poison. I think some prefer to leave after as at least your school can hold on to players. What does help is not as many kids even still out there with early signing period

If a coach is more worried about the team he is leaving than the team he is joining, then maybe he isn't the best person for the job.