Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[SLICKYINC]

 

[Orange Studs]

Screw it! I've had time to digest it all and I'm all in on him. Lets give this guy a chance. Hell maybe we got a deal on him and we can go after some major coaches.

Come on in the water is fine!! Can't wait to see a fun O for once.

 

[Kingston Vol]

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

Jones had an established record of building programs up to this point. Heupel does not and has a bottom 5 defense to go with that top 5 offense.
I don't care if I win 5-3, that's better than losing 67-70.

Jones didn't build any programs. He was living on the coat tails of Brian Kelly

 

[Aesius]

Jones had an established record of building programs up to this point. Heupel does not and has a bottom 5 defense to go with that top 5 offense.
I don't care if I win 5-3, that's better than losing 67-70.

Jones didn't build anything. He followed Brian Kelly at both CMU and Cincy. To be fair, Heupel followed Frost. But I trust Heupel's football IQ a millions time over Jones's.

 

[BruinVol]

It makes sense only because of how tight DW keeps hiring processes.

Which has been proven false

There was nothing tight about this process

 

[pierce60]

Jones was at Tampa Bay, Rutgers, and West Virginia during his career. Heupel's been at Oklahoma and Missouri. Heupel has been riding the coattails of Scott Frost, and not very well apparently. I don't care how you spin it, Jones had a better resume AND as a HC than Heupel prior to Heupel getting hired.

I am sure this has already been responded to by someone, but it's worth repeating if it has.....Heupel is riding the coattails of Frost, but Jones wasn't riding the coattails of Brian Kelly at TWO spots????

 

[Volfanatic_20]

 

[Frankwillie87]

Took from a volquester who posted this article from the Orlando Sentinel. I don't think we realize how good this offense is about to be. I know it's long, but read it guys. It's worth it.

“He does not have a playbook, maybe a pamphlet or just a page is what I can glean from what I am seeing,” wrote one fan.


“Truly feels like we have just eight plays,” wrote another fan.
“The coach needs to go,” wrote another.


And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I never, ever listen to fans, which is short for fanatics, which is a synonym for wackos.

UCF 51, Tulane 34.
The Knights compiled 689 yards of total offense on Saturday, quarterback Dillon Gabriel threw for 422 yards and five touchdowns, running back Greg McCrae ran 25 times for 162 yards and wide receiver Marlon Williams caught nine passes for 174 yards and three touchdowns.


Hey, disgruntled fans, ask Tulane’s defense about Josh Heupel’s playbook.

Ask any opposing defensive coordinator in college football about Josh Heupel’s playbook.

Yes, UCF’s season thus far has been a major disappointment because of a young, porous defense but at least Knights fans can turn on the TV every Saturday and be entertained by one of the most astute offensive minds in the game, one of the best quarterbacks in the country and inarguably the most explosive, entertaining offense in the nation.
Maybe even in history.
If you’re scoring at home, Gabriel leads the nation in passing, Williams leads the nation in receiving and UCF’s offense is now averaging a national-best 646.8 yards per game. If the Knights keep up this pace, they will shatter the all-time record for total offense in a season set by the 1989 Houston Cougars, who averaged 624.9 yards per game.

In three years at UCF, Heupel has a 26-6 record at UCF and his offense has been ranked No. 5, No. 2 and now No. 1 in the country. And before he took the UCF job, Heupel was the offensive coordinator at Missouri under former head coach Barry Odom.
When Heupel arrived at Mizzou in 2016, he took over an offense ranked 124th in the country the previous season. In the first year of Heupel’s fast-break, no-huddle offense, the Tigers were ranked 13th in the nation and improved to eighth the following year in the big, bad SEC. When Heupel left, the Missouri offense went back to its formerly pathetic self.
Anybody who questions Heupel’s offensive imagination and acumen is just plain idiotic. The man is an offensive genius. Or as the great Steve Spurrier once playfully reprimanded a sports writer back in his heyday, “Don’t call me a genius; call me a mastermind.”
The Knights came into Saturday not only leading the nation in total offense, but no other team in college football was within 40 yards of their average. For comparison’s sake, Alabama has the most explosive offenses of the Nick Saban era, and UCF is averaging about 80 yards per game more than the Crimson Tide.

“We’ve got a lot of great players and that makes it a whole lot easier to call offensive plays,” Heupel said. “This offensive skill group is athletic and understands what they’re doing. We’ve got great trust in every single one of them. We’ve also got five guys up front [on the offensive line] who fight and compete. … And being in Year 2, you’ve seen the growth that Dillon has had as a quarterback.”
In fact, Gabriel has been nothing short of brilliant with his fourth 400-yard passing performance Saturday in five games this season. His touch on the long ball and his improvisational skills are uncanny, evidenced by a perfectly placed scramble-drill 54-yard TD bomb to Williams in the first quarter.


Remember last year when LSU’s Joe Burrow had arguably the greatest season for a quarterback in the history of college football with 6,040 yards of total offense? That’s an average of 403 yards of total offense per game. Thus far this season, Gabriel is averaging 461 yards of total offense, nearly 60 yard per game more than Burrow averaged last season.

Mike leach does the same thing. He's on record as only having a handful of plays. That's why he installs quickly then gets shut down horribly once everyone catches on.

 

[Ashevolle]

Each got a burger King bag

At least we've upped our standards.

 

[Smokeytom]

From UCF fan:

Have fun watching the following:

1st down: inside run/screen pass

2nd down: off-tackle run/slant

3rd down: long bomb and pray

But in fast

this would concern me if Heupel had been getting blown out in losses.

 

[Frankwillie87]

I am sure this has already been responded to by someone, but it's worth repeating if it has.....Heupel is riding the coattails of Frost, but Jones wasn't riding the coattails of Brian Kelly at TWO spots????

That was my point... He was arguing that Jones rode coattails so it didn't matter...

 

[Aesius]

Mike leach does the same thing. He's on record as only having a handful of plays. That's why he installs quickly then gets shut down horribly once everyone catches on.

You're aware that his records at TTU and WSU improved over time, right? Lol

 

[Jimmy Football]

How do I sell myself on these guys every single time?

And they call us toxic.

 

[appyvol]

I would be surprised if it is Gabriel or any starters - he apparently didn't have a team meeting telling them he was leaving. They're pissed.

Not a good look.

 

[windrider]

Me either

Row, row, row your boat?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Mike leach does the same thing. He's on record as only having a handful of plays. That's why he installs quickly then gets shut down horribly once everyone catches on.

Except that hasn't happened to Heupel and he's been around a long time. Had top offenses at OU, Mizzou, and now UCF.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

The optics of Kiffin are, in large part, a reflection of his shameless self-promotion. He's a glorified carnival barker. Has he had some success? Yes. Is he a top-tier coach? Hell no. And anyone who believes that isn't actually savvy but is simply swept up in Kiffin's "show". Come talk to me when he's won 60+% of his SEC games as a head coach. Then I'll give him the credit he craves.

100% agreed. Self-promoter. Never stays anywhere long. The guy left us on fire in the middle of the night. He turned our athletic department into a USC wallpaper company. Think of him like a psychotic girlfriend that was hot but as little crazy. It's fun if you're not married to it, but we made the mistake of marrying it. Then it cheats on you, leaves for something different, empties your checking account, bad mouths you to people you know, and you get stuck with the rent due on the apartment and a pet you didn't want in the first place. Then she gets dumped and suddenly starts saying good things about you again. You're flattered but know you better never go back there again. She gets fat, bounces around to some other guys and the whole time keeps talking about you and what could've been.

Only an imbecile would take that back.

 

[bleedsUTorange]

One knock I have heard on him has been his odd/weird personality. Sure his offense will probably be good, but when things go bad here and the losses come, how will he handle the spotlight and scrutiny once it comes? I've heard he isn't media eccentric and doesnt like doing the PR stuff. How fun that'll be for him here where they walk coaches around on leashes to entertain boosters etc.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Jones had an established record of building programs up to this point. Heupel does not and has a bottom 5 defense to go with that top 5 offense.
I don't care if I win 5-3, that's better than losing 67-70.

Jones built nothing, that was the big question on him, get out of here with that. Guess what, Kiffin has bad defense too, so does Freeze... Lets pair that top 5 offense with a top 25 DC in Steele and see what happens.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Mike leach does the same thing. He's on record as only having a handful of plays. That's why he installs quickly then gets shut down horribly once everyone catches on.

but this isnt a leach offense where everybody just realizes to drop 8 like they did this yr. Atleast with this theres a threat of everything coming at you. Much more difficult.

 

[Face]

Hell, look at the good wins Pruitt had. They happened when JG actually lived up to his potential.

You take any elite team in the last 25 years and they either have:
saban
Urban
High level QB.
you look at every underperforming team, and the biggest thing they’re missing is a QB that can execute.

If 2019 Vols had drew Locke and OC Heupel, we’re in Atlanta.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

From UCF fan:

Have fun watching the following:

1st down: inside run/screen pass

2nd down: off-tackle run/slant

3rd down: long bomb and pray

But in fast

yeah... you don't put up 600 yards, have your offense ranked tops in the country, and the QB ranking the highest in the country if that's your offense. Sorry they're butt hurt

 

[UTProf]

Bottom line?

@Atlanta VOL was wrong. @LA Vol was right. Plowman bit off way more than she could chew and she choked. We were better off leaving Pruitt one more year then firing him. That way we didn't self report to the NCAA. Then we probably could have had Freeze, Campbell, Fickell, or Fleck because we wouldn't have these incoming crippling sanctions.

We will be back here in 4 years. Enjoy the shi*show.

That would make Fulmer right and this board is convinced of his villain hood.

 

[Frankwillie87]

Jones didn't build anything. He followed Brian Kelly at both CMU and Cincy. To be fair, Heupel followed Frost. But I trust Heupel's football IQ a millions time over Jones's.

CMU fell to 4-8 in Jones first season and he turned them around.
I don't doubt Heupel's football IQ, but I want a winning team, not a high-powered offense. I didn't want Kiffin either.