Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[jpope9]

- Callahan

more SEC experience....I like it

 

[Jackcrevol]

This is an amazing post. Read it if you haven't. Someone else compared Kiffin to the crazy hot girl. No wonder there is the strange love affair. Let's be the change on Twitter that helps turn our program around.

the hire sucks. juss sayin' no way to change that.

 

[90 Vol]

Really interested to see what the coaching staff shakes out to be.

I do not believe Lebby will join or Steele will stay - so what are the next best moves????

Heupel can begin by crossing his entire UCF defensive staff off the list of potential hires.

 

[BruinVol]

Why?

kids will have something to play for and we darn sure don’t want to do it before the season. More transfers that way

 

[Geronimo]

You have us losing to south alabama?

Nope. That’s my win column.

 

[engineerVOL]

Can you transfer gif ownership of the baby elephant to me on your way out?

@VOLSONLY wait a minute are you the rightful owner of said elephant gif?

 

[05_never_again]

Disclaimer - long, and I'm speaking generally here about the fanbase, not to anyone personally. Though if you're offended, a bit of introspection might be in order.
I think it's a little more nuanced than just rabid dogs. I was in the band in the late 80's and 90's, and in grad school after that coming to games as a regular student. We have always had a particular trait as a fanbase that has frustrated me. Yes we travel well. Yes we donate. Yes we are rabid, passionate fans when things go well. But when things start to not go well, even for a series or two, Neyland immediately turns off, sits on its hands and becomes a tomb. Never mind that the fans are the biggest part of our home field advantage and can play a huge part in momentum. A large part of our support has always been much more transactional, with an intensely negative, head for the exits in the third quarter mentality bubbling just below the surface. It's not everyone, but the degree of binary on/off support displayed in person and in the moment is shocking in comparison to a place like TAMU. Maybe 15-20% of the folks who came to an otherwise wet, miserable game were actually still in the stadium to see Stoerner fumble - in an undefeated season. The Legions of the Miserable are real, and many of them are season ticket holders. And now they have twitter and the rest of the internet, and are dead-set on voicing their grievances to the world.
In the interim, the fanbase has taken repeated hits - weak ADs, weak admin leadership, promising but failed hires, unbelievably bad hires, booster shenanigans - it has taken its toll, and the negativity has grown dramatically. I've lurked through every coaching search in here since Kiffin with rapt attention, because it's fun, and trying to piece together what's happening behind the scenes and gaming out possibilities for the future is addictive. It's my only connection with the program at this point besides watching every game, as I've been on the west coast for 20 years. With each search, the negativity in here has naturally grown. Someone in here made the comment a couple of evenings ago during one of the candidate freakouts about us being bipolar, and that's when I put it all together. We're not bipolar, we're borderline. Look it up. I had to work under someone who was borderline for just 2 months, and I can honestly say that it was the most miserable thing I've ever had to go through in a work setting.
When things are going well, we're that crazy hot girl at the club who is wild and fun, shows a lot more cleavage than anyone else, and immediately falls head over heels for you (coach, administration, program). Intense, passionate, hard to resist.
Right now, we're at the phase where you (coach, admin, program) come home to find that your crazy hot girl has been cyberstalking you and all your friends and acquaintances, has poisoned the dog, is wearing only panties and one of your button down shirts that is soaked with tears and mascara, and is busy cutting the mattress in half with a chainsaw.
I'm underwhelmed with the hire, but hopeful that we can have an offense again, and that maybe the right staff can bring the defense around. In retrospect, with our current set of circumstances, I think we're likely lucky that Heupel said yes and we didn't end up with someone with less chance of success. I'm hopeful that with our recent housecleaning, our AD, admin and booster situations are more stable, competent and functional than in the past. That leaves us as a fanbase, and I think we've got some work to do to become attractive again. Someone actually emailed Sonny Dykes telling him we weren't interested? WTF? It's not just perception - we are toxic. Words matter, tweets matter, actions matter - particularly to someone we're trying to convince to come here to play or coach. Admin just burned this whole thing down because it has been rotten since soon after Dickey left. We need to put away our matches, or we'll never be able to rebuild.

I want to agree with this, but if a large part of our support is transactional, Neyland would have been almost totally empty for the last several seasons.

"Head for the exits" mentality, yes absolutely. But I wouldn't say that a large amount of the support is transactional, otherwise basically nobody would even walk through Neyland's gates.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I'm going to head out too. I like hanging out in here during the football season and I respect the regulars that keep the players' threads updated and this forum rolling. You all are the best of VN. ✌

*The truth is, I've got to find a job and spending 6-10 hours a day on VN is not helping me do that. I've got to lurk more and post less.

Y'all be cool and support your team.

POSSUM OUT

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GBO

It’ll get slow soon. You can probably check in once a day and read 5 pages to be caught up.

 

[windrider]

Disclaimer - long, and I'm speaking generally here about the fanbase, not to anyone personally. Though if you're offended, a bit of introspection might be in order.
I think it's a little more nuanced than just rabid dogs. I was in the band in the late 80's and 90's, and in grad school after that coming to games as a regular student. We have always had a particular trait as a fanbase that has frustrated me. Yes we travel well. Yes we donate. Yes we are rabid, passionate fans when things go well. But when things start to not go well, even for a series or two, Neyland immediately turns off, sits on its hands and becomes a tomb. Never mind that the fans are the biggest part of our home field advantage and can play a huge part in momentum. A large part of our support has always been much more transactional, with an intensely negative, head for the exits in the third quarter mentality bubbling just below the surface. It's not everyone, but the degree of binary on/off support displayed in person and in the moment is shocking in comparison to a place like TAMU. Maybe 15-20% of the folks who came to an otherwise wet, miserable game were actually still in the stadium to see Stoerner fumble - in an undefeated season. The Legions of the Miserable are real, and many of them are season ticket holders. And now they have twitter and the rest of the internet, and are dead-set on voicing their grievances to the world.
In the interim, the fanbase has taken repeated hits - weak ADs, weak admin leadership, promising but failed hires, unbelievably bad hires, booster shenanigans - it has taken its toll, and the negativity has grown dramatically. I've lurked through every coaching search in here since Kiffin with rapt attention, because it's fun, and trying to piece together what's happening behind the scenes and gaming out possibilities for the future is addictive. It's my only connection with the program at this point besides watching every game, as I've been on the west coast for 20 years. With each search, the negativity in here has naturally grown. Someone in here made the comment a couple of evenings ago during one of the candidate freakouts about us being bipolar, and that's when I put it all together. We're not bipolar, we're borderline. Look it up. I had to work under someone who was borderline for just 2 months, and I can honestly say that it was the most miserable thing I've ever had to go through in a work setting.
When things are going well, we're that crazy hot girl at the club who is wild and fun, shows a lot more cleavage than anyone else, and immediately falls head over heels for you (coach, administration, program). Intense, passionate, hard to resist.
Right now, we're at the phase where you (coach, admin, program) come home to find that your crazy hot girl has been cyberstalking you and all your friends and acquaintances, has poisoned the dog, is wearing only panties and one of your button down shirts that is soaked with tears and mascara, and is busy cutting the mattress in half with a chainsaw.
I'm underwhelmed with the hire, but hopeful that we can have an offense again, and that maybe the right staff can bring the defense around. In retrospect, with our current set of circumstances, I think we're likely lucky that Heupel said yes and we didn't end up with someone with less chance of success. I'm hopeful that with our recent housecleaning, our AD, admin and booster situations are more stable, competent and functional than in the past. That leaves us as a fanbase, and I think we've got some work to do to become attractive again. Someone actually emailed Sonny Dykes telling him we weren't interested? WTF? It's not just perception - we are toxic. Words matter, tweets matter, actions matter - particularly to someone we're trying to convince to come here to play or coach. Admin just burned this whole thing down because it has been rotten since soon after Dickey left. We need to put away our matches, or we'll never be able to rebuild.

 

[HankHill]

 

[jpope9]

Heupel can begin by crossing his entire UCF defensive staff off the list of potential hires.

you get a like for the avi.

 

[Vol_sanity]

I agree with a lot of this but our toxicity isn’t exclusive to Tennessee. Just wait until Saban retires and watch Alabama tear itself apart from within trying to recapture the success he brought. It will be next to impossible. They’ll be calling for coaches heads at 10-2. Once you taste that level you never want to give it up and will be willing to try anything to bring it back. Unfortunately that’s us right now and I hope we climb out of it.

I agree it is in every fanbase, but lets be honest...If you are anywhere near twitter, you can tell that our fanbase is trying to be the "best" and craziest. Its like they think that is the only way to keep us relevant. Coaching searches are crazy, but those guys on twitter are nuts. Just win and it all goes away, they say...Im not so sure about that

 

[White Bread]

So is anyone in here still actually tied in to information anymore or no?

 

[HankHill]

Uhm. Dude. Our defense is going to be putrid

Ehhhhhhhh. Switching schemes alone is going to help.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Wins:
BG
TT
USC
South Alabama
Vandy

Toss ups:
Pitt
MZ
Ole Miss
KY

Losses:
UF
UGA
UA

If we can go 2-2 in toss up games, that would be a 7-5 season for our first year head coach. Recruiting would take off. Imagine throwing in a big win over the big three, this place would build a statue immediately.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

He's a Tee guy

You really are damned if you and damned if you don't with Tee, it's best for UT to separate itself from Tee the coach while appreciating his time here as a player

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Wins:
BG
TT
USC
South Alabama
Vandy

Toss ups:
Pitt
MZ
Ole Miss
KY

Losses:
UF
UGA
UA

If we can go 2-2 in toss up games, that would be a 7-5 season for our first year head coach. Recruiting would take off. Imagine throwing in a big win over the big three, this place would build a statue immediately.

Hell if we only win 5 but average 30 a game recruiting will pick up.

 

[crazyguy]

that's a long time

That does not seem wise.

 

[Volator]

This hire sucks. We are destined to suck for eternity.

(Do I have to go to the football forum?)

It is up to @Orange Studs He is the master of his domain

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

Heupel can begin by crossing his entire UCF defensive staff off the list of potential hires.

Mood: mehupel

 

[volfaninpa]

Ansley to the Chargers.

 

[mthomp88]

Anyone heard anything about potential staff hires?

 

[crazyguy]

I'm all seriousness, this dude might actually take the talent we have on offense and compete with literally everyone we play next season. Might not win against teams like bama but... This is an offense driven game now and hypel does have a chance to compete in all games if his offense is as good as advertised. Just something to think about. Not saying it will happen, but if his offense is as good as advertised it's a real possibility that we win more games than we should next year just by offense alone.

Dude. I appreciate the positivity.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Mike Stoops is a name to watch on the defensive staff if Steele leaves.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Hell if we only win 5 but average 30 a game recruiting will pick up.

No joke! This state is pretty loaded with offensive talent. Gotta lock then up.