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Have always blamed Fulmer & Chavis for our inability to beat Florida, since it predated and postdated the Peyton era. We got lucky in '98 against them, make no mistake about it. Caught them with Doug Johnson and no Fred Taylor, was the perfect storm that season.
Yep. It was the perfect storm in 98, but we figured out the formula to beat them that year. We should’ve beaten them every year from 98 to 06. Maybe discount 2002, because Clausen couldn’t receive a snap, but we were better than them and had an opportunity to beat them every game after Peyton was gone until 2007.
 
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Basically the hire doesn’t give me a chub but it doesn’t make me feel like life is over either. My anger last night is more toward the FOS boosters and their failed coup. We will score a crap ton of points. Just hope his defense and recruiting staff can compete.

Really going to like seeing someone actually out these young WRs in space
 
I'm going to head out too. I like hanging out in here during the football season and I respect the regulars that keep the players' threads updated and this forum rolling. You all are the best of VN. ✌

*The truth is, I've got to find a job and spending 6-10 hours a day on VN is not helping me do that. I've got to lurk more and post less.

Y'all be cool and support your team.

POSSUM OUT

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Can you transfer gif ownership of the baby elephant to me on your way out?
 
Hank gonna be mad he has to deal with Pruitt again

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I bet Hank will be the Felix to Pruitt's Oscar.
 
Still catching up so siap. But guess who scored the most points on Cincinnati's elite defense last year? They put up 9 more points than anyone else including Georgia. Yes they lost because their defense was terrible. That won't be the case here because we're , hopefully, about to throw some serious money at assistant coaches

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That press conference was filled with lies. No way he was our first choice... Also, I understand him telling fans to be positive, but come on man...

This is an EXTREMELY underwhelming hire and I’ve been trying to rationalize it all day but I can’t. So much hype for us to get a good coach and we land here 🤦‍♂️We need some good news soon lol

I hope it works out though
 
Disclaimer - long, and I'm speaking generally here about the fanbase, not to anyone personally. Though if you're offended, a bit of introspection might be in order.
I think it's a little more nuanced than just rabid dogs. I was in the band in the late 80's and 90's, and in grad school after that coming to games as a regular student. We have always had a particular trait as a fanbase that has frustrated me. Yes we travel well. Yes we donate. Yes we are rabid, passionate fans when things go well. But when things start to not go well, even for a series or two, Neyland immediately turns off, sits on its hands and becomes a tomb. Never mind that the fans are the biggest part of our home field advantage and can play a huge part in momentum. A large part of our support has always been much more transactional, with an intensely negative, head for the exits in the third quarter mentality bubbling just below the surface. It's not everyone, but the degree of binary on/off support displayed in person and in the moment is shocking in comparison to a place like TAMU. Maybe 15-20% of the folks who came to an otherwise wet, miserable game were actually still in the stadium to see Stoerner fumble - in an undefeated season. The Legions of the Miserable are real, and many of them are season ticket holders. And now they have twitter and the rest of the internet, and are dead-set on voicing their grievances to the world.
In the interim, the fanbase has taken repeated hits - weak ADs, weak admin leadership, promising but failed hires, unbelievably bad hires, booster shenanigans - it has taken its toll, and the negativity has grown dramatically. I've lurked through every coaching search in here since Kiffin with rapt attention, because it's fun, and trying to piece together what's happening behind the scenes and gaming out possibilities for the future is addictive. It's my only connection with the program at this point besides watching every game, as I've been on the west coast for 20 years. With each search, the negativity in here has naturally grown. Someone in here made the comment a couple of evenings ago during one of the candidate freakouts about us being bipolar, and that's when I put it all together. We're not bipolar, we're borderline. Look it up. I had to work under someone who was borderline for just 2 months, and I can honestly say that it was the most miserable thing I've ever had to go through in a work setting.
When things are going well, we're that crazy hot girl at the club who is wild and fun, shows a lot more cleavage than anyone else, and immediately falls head over heels for you (coach, administration, program). Intense, passionate, hard to resist.
Right now, we're at the phase where you (coach, admin, program) come home to find that your crazy hot girl has been cyberstalking you and all your friends and acquaintances, has poisoned the dog, is wearing only panties and one of your button down shirts that is soaked with tears and mascara, and is busy cutting the mattress in half with a chainsaw.
I'm underwhelmed with the hire, but hopeful that we can have an offense again, and that maybe the right staff can bring the defense around. In retrospect, with our current set of circumstances, I think we're likely lucky that Heupel said yes and we didn't end up with someone with less chance of success. I'm hopeful that with our recent housecleaning, our AD, admin and booster situations are more stable, competent and functional than in the past. That leaves us as a fanbase, and I think we've got some work to do to become attractive again. Someone actually emailed Sonny Dykes telling him we weren't interested? WTF? It's not just perception - we are toxic. Words matter, tweets matter, actions matter - particularly to someone we're trying to convince to come here to play or coach. Admin just burned this whole thing down because it has been rotten since soon after Dickey left. We need to put away our matches, or we'll never be able to rebuild.

I agree with a lot of this but our toxicity isn’t exclusive to Tennessee. Just wait until Saban retires and watch Alabama tear itself apart from within trying to recapture the success he brought. It will be next to impossible. They’ll be calling for coaches heads at 10-2. Once you taste that level you never want to give it up and will be willing to try anything to bring it back. Unfortunately that’s us right now and I hope we climb out of it.
 
I'm going to head out too. I like hanging out in here during the football season and I respect the regulars that keep the players' threads updated and this forum rolling. You all are the best of VN. ✌

*The truth is, I've got to find a job and spending 6-10 hours a day on VN is not helping me do that. I've got to lurk more and post less.

Y'all be cool and support your team.

POSSUM OUT

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According to a source, UCF wide receivers coach Kodi Burns — who was just recently hired by the Knights to fill a vacancy on their staff — is a candidate to follow new coach Josh Heupel to Tennessee.

It’s worth noting that Burns got the job at UCF over Vols TEs coach Joe Osovet, who also interviewed for it.

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CJH will have his best shot at making it if he has the right, SEC quality D-staff. Have zero problems with him as a OC/QB guru. Always liked what he did and he has good talent to work with to take care of that side of the ball. So it's not a full rebuild of talent on that side of the ball. He knows what a HC should do on the big stage of the SEC and P5 football because he has a decade of related coaching experience plus being a player at that level.

My major concerns are D development and D performance on game days as well as recruiting. So, if he thinks he can bring UCF D and recruiting staff in to compete in the SEC - he will have a shortened stay. I get needing to bring some O staff for the system he runs.

So the time to start winning fans would be with those hires.
 
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