Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[volsagain]

I believe all the rah rah rah stuff on our new coach is mostly likely the typical hype we tend to generate because, well, we are Tennessee, and we want to believe. I’m not saying this can’t work out; I’m saying I highly doubt it right now. I know most people are focused on the defensive side as a concern with this staff but I’m not convinced that the offense is as cut out to be what some are claiming. For example, the guy was replaced at OU by Riley and the OU offense went to another level in the first year under Riley.

After OU the guy had a 6-win season at Utah State as the OC before moving to Mizzou. His first year at Mizzou, Drew Lock was a sophomore. Lock’s freshman year had been abysmal for the Tiger offense. In 2016 against 8 SEC opponents with our guy running the offense and Drew a year older, the offense averaged 22.6 points per game, good for 11th in the conference. In Lock’s junior year, the offense took the next step, rising to 34.6 ppg against 8 SEC foes. Their best offensive outputs in conference that year took place against Butch Jones’ last team here (4-8) (50 points), a dejected Florida team who coach was claiming to be a victim of death threats (4-7) (45 points), an Arkansas team (4-8) (48 points), and a Vanderbilt team (5-7) (45 points). Missouri finished that 2017 season 7-6.

Figures don’t lie but liars figure. There are all kinds of caveats that affect a team’s performance. At UCF this past year for example one of the hits the team reportedly took was a number of players opting out of participation for the season. Some years you have a better offensive line than others. Sometimes a team gets unlucky on the injury or disciplinary front. It’s hard to look at the headline numbers and jump to conclusions that have a high probability of standing up over time. Hell, we should have had one of the absolute best defenses in the nation over at least the past couple of years but that never materialized. I think most of us at one time believed it would. Alas.

When Chaney was hired I indicated I wasn’t thrilled with the hire. My buddy Charger got offended by my lack of support. I like Charger so I tried to be very careful how I might approach saying anything about Chaney from then on out. I don’t want to offend anyone else here but I’m hearing a lot of what I think is some trying to sell the new hire. We’re trying to convince ourselves of something I strongly suspect that few believe. I don’t have elevated expectations right now and don’t expect I will this time. I’m willing to give it a shot because that’s our only option.

In the past when Nick has done his pregame/game threads for the RF, anytime he predicts that we are going to lose a game, I’ve just shook my head in disbelief. Where does he get off doing that? I love it on the isolated times we prove him wrong. Even though I have a hard time with his “defeatist” view now and again, I most often still try to give him a like, because he’s put some work into it and in all honesty, I actually think he’s still mostly an all-around pretty good guy. jmo.

I guess I’m trying to say I’m probably not going to be cheering as loudly this time around but I’m really hoping I don’t offend you guys too much with some of my contrarian views.

Where is Charger and how is he doing ?

 

[snowvols]

another Florida douche just like Collinsworth

The only UF player I ever liked was Sonny Crockett. I think he became a cop.

 

[quadlee21]

Grind City Tiger Tail is my best option tonight

 

[ACvol3]

I love Palmer but something was off with him this year. Effort seemed to be lacking at times but the rumor is Tee hardly even coached his group

And people just can’t believe that we didn’t consider Tee for HC...

 

[volatil]

I’m drinking Folgers

 

[ACvol3]

The only UF player I ever liked was Sonny Crockett. I think he became a cop.

Tebow is awesome now that he’s not wearing the gator jersey

 

[MoCo_Vol]

By the way, this was a great video if ya'll want to see and hear a breakdown of what Heupel does to put defenses in bad positions against his offense.

 

[VOL608]

VQ should ban Sab for multiple reasons.

I’d rather Twitter have him banned. Don’t need that guy talking to recruits on there.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Great read Ron

My favorite part was this:

Not only is the new AD dealing with salvaging a flailing football program, he is also tasked with plugging potential leaks inside of his department.

Talking about the AD plugging leaks while he, VolzOwn, was on here leaking info.

 

[Batman1948]

Swain also said that one thing that worries him about Huepel’s offense is that it doesn’t produce NFL receivers. He said guys will put up a lot of numbers, but that they won’t be developed because they will mainly be running quick slants and screens but won’t be learning the entire route tree. Is that true?

Who cares as long as they win in college. Not everyone makes it to the NFL. Tebow was all world in college but a dumpster fire in the NFL. He's a dumpster fire in the minors playing baseball but he can sell tickets.

 

[VOLSONLY]

How great would it be for Tennessee if he’s successful here for the next 10 years? That’s what’s it going to take for this program. We need consistency . BTW I like how he carries hisself. Hope he’s the one

 

[ACvol3]

By the way, this was a great video if ya'll want to see and hear a breakdown of what Heupel does to put defenses in bad positions against his offense.

I wish we could get that video to the players and recruits

 

[HankHill]

I’ve missed being bought into a coach so much.

 

[you]

I’m drinking Folgers

I've heard its the best part of waking up, but i prefer something else upon waking up...

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Bold prediction I think is likely to come true.

Heupel's offense produces a 1st round WR within the next 3 years (we've got a really young WR group or I'd say it happens sooner) although Velus Jones Jr. will have a damn good shot at it in the '22 draft. But he's the only WR on the squad right now that will be eligible to leave after this upcoming season.

 

[Vols_Life]

I believe all the rah rah rah stuff on our new coach is mostly likely the typical hype we tend to generate because, well, we are Tennessee, and we want to believe. I’m not saying this can’t work out; I’m saying I highly doubt it right now. I know most people are focused on the defensive side as a concern with this staff but I’m not convinced that the offense is as cut out to be what some are claiming. For example, the guy was replaced at OU by Riley and the OU offense went to another level in the first year under Riley.

After OU the guy had a 6-win season at Utah State as the OC before moving to Mizzou. His first year at Mizzou, Drew Lock was a sophomore. Lock’s freshman year had been abysmal for the Tiger offense. In 2016 against 8 SEC opponents with our guy running the offense and Drew a year older, the offense averaged 22.6 points per game, good for 11th in the conference. In Lock’s junior year, the offense took the next step, rising to 34.6 ppg against 8 SEC foes. Their best offensive outputs in conference that year took place against Butch Jones’ last team here (4-8) (50 points), a dejected Florida team who coach was claiming to be a victim of death threats (4-7) (45 points), an Arkansas team (4-8) (48 points), and a Vanderbilt team (5-7) (45 points). Missouri finished that 2017 season 7-6.

Figures don’t lie but liars figure. There are all kinds of caveats that affect a team’s performance. At UCF this past year for example one of the hits the team reportedly took was a number of players opting out of participation for the season. Some years you have a better offensive line than others. Sometimes a team gets unlucky on the injury or disciplinary front. It’s hard to look at the headline numbers and jump to conclusions that have a high probability of standing up over time. Hell, we should have had one of the absolute best defenses in the nation over at least the past couple of years but that never materialized. I think most of us at one time believed it would. Alas.

When Chaney was hired I indicated I wasn’t thrilled with the hire. My buddy Charger got offended by my lack of support. I like Charger so I tried to be very careful how I might approach saying anything about Chaney from then on out. I don’t want to offend anyone else here but I’m hearing a lot of what I think is some trying to sell the new hire. We’re trying to convince ourselves of something I strongly suspect that few believe. I don’t have elevated expectations right now and don’t expect I will this time. I’m willing to give it a shot because that’s our only option.

In the past when Nick has done his pregame/game threads for the RF, anytime he predicts that we are going to lose a game, I’ve just shook my head in disbelief. Where does he get off doing that? I love it on the isolated times we prove him wrong. Even though I have a hard time with his “defeatist” view now and again, I most often still try to give him a like, because he’s put some work into it and in all honesty, I actually think he’s still mostly an all-around pretty good guy. jmo.

I guess I’m trying to say I’m probably not going to be cheering as loudly this time around but I’m really hoping I don’t offend you guys too much with some of my contrarian views.

 

[VolInDayton]

You guys are killing me with the beer talk. No one told me there were 5 weekends this month when I signed up for Dry January.

 

[Timbeau2]

Who cares as long as they win in college. Not everyone makes it to the NFL. Tebow was all world in college but a dumpster fire in the NFL. He's a dumpster fire in the minors playing baseball but he can sell tickets.

I think he’s saying if skill players see it that way, how much will they be jumping at the opportunity to come here if it may not be the best thing to get them to the league.

 

[Batman1948]

Any coaches named officially?

I think Hubbs said the WR coach and the OL coach arrived in Knoxville today. More to come.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

You guys are killing me with the beer talk. No one told me there were 5 weekends this month when I signed up for Dry January.

Butch Jones did his research did you not do your research?

 

[ACvol3]

I’d rather Twitter have him banned. Don’t need that guy talking to recruits on there.

Unfortunately, he’s not the only one that needs to leave players alone

 

[Batman1948]

Would cause one to question your decision making?!?

Maybe it was more her decision making

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I’d rather Twitter have him banned. Don’t need that guy talking to recruits on there.

Sab would just change his email and Twitter handle

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think he’s saying if skill players see it that way, how much will they be jumping at the opportunity to come here if it may not be the best thing to get them to the league.

But it's not true. He's produced 2 NFL WRs in his 3 years at UCF, and potentially more since you'll be able to count guys taken this year as well. (Marlon Williams has a great shot at being drafted, and so does Jaylon Robinson next year)

In his time at UCF 6 guys have been drafted in those 3 years. The previous 3 years (2015-2017) they had half that number go.

 

[VOLuptuousBOOMS]

Haven’t had the chance to watch any UCF games since the hire. Does the OL go into pass pro regularly? Or is it downhill RPO blocking most of the time?