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MoCo_Vol said:
Grad Transfer
Walk-On

JG
Hill
Shrout
Ty
Gray
Allen - medical scholarship
Lowe
Brandon
Montgomery
Morris
Jahmir
Abercrombie
Savion
Rinke
Henry T
JJP
Crouch
Bennett -dismissed
Johnson
Gaddy
Lawrence
Buchanan - medically scholarship

Red = Players that weren't grad transfers or walk-ons still on active football scholarships
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JJ and Savion were not really part of the team this year. Now you are looking at 6 guys. Crouch and Henry T may or may not be back. When you add some perspective, it's not really that bad numbers wise.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
A lot of talk about heupel losing 4 games this year but looking back he easily could have been more wins

They got beat good by BYU in bowl game. Which I think is his only double digit loss as a Hc.

Lost to Cincinnati by 3. UCF Led that game going into 4th Qtr when a interception led to a go ahead Cincy TD to take first lead of game. We all saw Cincy was legit vs UGA.

Lost by 1 to Memphis in a game they led until final minute and they should have still won but missed FG from 22 yd line on final play.

Lost by 8 to Tulsa. Led going into 4th Qtr. Had ball driving to the Tulsa 23 on final drive then a holding penalty made final play be from 33 with I believe a 10 second run off.

So in 2020 everyone points to some big drop off but 3 of the 4 games were one possession games and your really an interception or a defensive stop vs Cincy and a made FG vs Memphis away from 8-2.
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Woah, woah, woah.....way too many facts involved. Flag for not enough baseless emotional opinions in your post. 15 yard penalty. If you get a 2nd flag for too many facts you will miss the rest of this game and the 1st half of the next game.
 
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Ashevolle said:
He burned his career down in order to pull some pissant BS against his former employer. He literally stagnated for years to prove a stupid point. He's lucky to be a head coach again and will languish in little league for the rest of his miserable career.

Any halfway decent coach would have jumped back into being an OC somewhere right away rather than being a towel boy.
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Ends up with a championship ring that I’m sure he’ll toss under the Arkansas State athletic center stairwell. 😏
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
My wife and I went on a road trip last fall through the Smokies and went to campus for a couple of hours. I turned it on 99.1 and there wasn’t one damn thing different about that 3 pm show than when I was there 15 years ago. It was hilarious. The same style, tone, just exactly the way I remembered it.
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It's horrible. Out this morning, I caught some of Eric Ainge and Brian Rice, and then Heather and Josh. EA and Rice were droning on about how JH is inheriting a good team and should be able to win instantly. Nevermind both our guys that played LT are in the portal and our defense is in shambles. JMO, they overestimate just what JH has inherited. I'd love to win early, but I think our team is a wreck atm. Then they went on to suckle Fulmer's teat, ignoring the part he played in the Pruitt mess. It just seems the personalities on that station talk out of their ass.
 
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Weezer said:
It's horrible. Out this morning, I caught some of Eric Ainge and Brian Rice, and then Heather and Josh. EA and Rice were droning on about how JH is inheriting a good team and should be able to win instantly. Nevermind both our guys that played LT are in the portal and our defense is in shambles. JMO, they overestimate just what JH has inherited. I'd love to win early, but I think our team is a wreck atm. Then they went on to suckle Fulmer's teat, ignoring the part he played in the Pruitt mess. It just seems the personalities on that station talk out of their ass.
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I honestly don't think we have a good idea what we have on the roster at the moment, because of the ineptitude of the previous coaching staff.
I believe the talent is there (moreso than maybe we think) but it hasn't translated onto the field because of development and scheme.
 
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bignewt said:
I'd like to thank everyone for this. @frank has just delivered my golden cheagle and I will preside over the midget virgin lava sacrifice at the annual picnic. Kiss the ring, morans.

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They don't like the term "midget" They prefer to be called "little people". And be forewarned, the little person is a dude in drag that smokes cloves and smells like cabbage.

And don't get me started on the cheagles.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
The offense does put up a lot of points and it will here. At the end of the year, our offensive stats will look great.

Heupel himself said he reinvented his offense after Oklahoma. What they were doing in Norman was what Stoops and Jay Norvell wanted to run. So you have to look at everything after 2014.

If you look from 2015 forward, this offense has a consistent pattern: put up points on bad teams, get shut down by good teams.

2015 (at Utah State so there are some talent disparities): 12 points vs. Southern Utah, 14 points vs. Utah, 17 points vs. Washington, 14 points vs. San Diego State, 13 points vs. New Mexico
2016 at Missouri: 11vs. West Virginia, 7 vs. LSU, 14 vs. Florida, 21 vs. Kentucky, 26 vs. Vanderbilt
2017 at Missouri: 13 vs. South Carolina, 3 vs. Purdue, 14 vs. Auburn - the offense took off later in the year and I will acknowledge it, but they didn't beat any good teams.

I've seen the argument that we need to crawl before we can walk, and putting up points against bad teams will be fun and at least make us worth watching. I agree with those things, but we're going to have a similar issue that Pruitt had where we are totally noncompetitive vs. the Big 3 and eventually, people will get tired of it.

What would you consider similar success?

Missouri was 4-8 in 2016 and 7-6 in 2017, and that was with notoriously good defensive coach Barry Odom running the defense.
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True, I thought Heupel was there during the years when the won the SEC. But you have to like this hire better than any of Dooley, Butch, or Pruitt, no? More HC experience, at least has a winning record as a HC... And I'd take 7-6 after going 3-7.
 
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Is Jahmir Johnson gone? I know he was in the portal and then he tweeted the cliched “Blessed” with his avi still Vols.

Edit: saw he entered the draft.
 
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aRmo said:
HB wont start in this offense. He has 3 guys behind him with better arm talent that fit the mold of what Josh Heupel is trying to do. Going to be an interesting spring practice but my guess is he will transfer. Also to note. Josh Heupel recruited Brian Maurer. so there is a familiarity there.
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Maurer isn’t anywhere close to as good as HB.
 
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butchna said:
Is Jahmir Johnson gone? I know he was in the portal and then he tweeted the cliched “Blessed” with his avi still Vols.
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He's still listed in the portal. Doesn't show him having actually transferred. Not sure if he's still enrolled or not.
 
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Dug into the losses at UCF since that seems to be a popular topic.

2018 vs LSU
With a backup QB scored 32 points against and LSU team that only allowed more than 32 once all year that year... and that game went into 7 OTs. In regular time, nobody scored more against LSU that year than UCF. They also played awful that game, went back and watched it. There were so many missed plays by the offense.
1 INT, 1 Fumble

2019:
The biggest issues in all their losses in 2019 was turnovers and special teams. When Gabriel got loose with the ball, UCF lost.

vs Pitt - 2 Interceptions and a punt return TD
vs Cinci - 3 Interceptions (1 for a TD), 1 fumble (all Gabriel shades of JG)
vs Tulsa - 2 Interceptions (including 1 deep in the 4th quarter with a tied game), 1 fumble

2020:
More of the same with turnovers and also Randy Shannon.. woof.
vs Tulsa - 1 Interception, 2 fumbles
vs Memphis - 1 Interception (this game is actually just defensive malpractice by Randy Shannon) UCF goes up 49-37 with like 5 minutes left, defense lets them go 6 plays 84 yards in under 2 minutes then 9 plays 85 yards in 1:30. Then UCF misses a 40 yd field goal with 19 seconds left to win.
vs Cincinnati - 1 INT. Dillon Gabriel just didn't have a great game. Give Cincinnati credit here.
vs BYU - another real poor performance for Gabriel and just an abysmal performance for Randy Shannon.

TOP has been discussed a lot. I was actually surprised that they wasn't a larger discrepancy in some of these:
2018:
LSU 44:31 to 15:29 (This is what I expected them all to look like)

2019:
Pitt - 35:42 to 24:18
Cinci - 31:52 to 28:08
Tulsa - 33:33 to 26:27

2020:
Tulsa 30:34 to 29:26
Memphis 33:37 to 26:23
Cinci 37:08 to 22:52
BYU - 33:22 to 26:38 UCF
 
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