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I have no idea if Heup will win here at the level we expect but I feel like he’s the first genuine coach we have hired. He will give it his all and try to build this the right way. Just feels that even if things don’t go well he will handle things like a man and not stoop to the arrogant petty levels of Pruitt and Butch. I hope he succeeds.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
I have no idea if Heup will win here at the level we expect but I feel like he’s the first genuine coach we have hired. He will give it his all and try to build this the right way. Just feels that even if things don’t go well he will handle things like a man and not stoop to the arrogant petty levels of Pruitt and Butch. I hope he succeeds.
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Yes...... he seems extremely likeable with an exciting offense....... he has my overwhelming support.
 
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@BruinVol –

A few days ago you posted links to our previous coaches talking about changing the culture of our football team when they first take the job here. I assumed that you were implying same-old, same-old, BS coach-speak and you seemed a bit derisive toward that. jmo.

I got to thinking about it because you’re right in that we do hear that sort of talk with pretty much every new guy. I’d even think that you would hear that sort of talk with any new coach anywhere where the new guy was coming in because the previous guy failed. jmo.

I think it might make more sense to you if you substituted the word attitude for culture. Culture is more comprehensive and sounds maybe a bit more sophisticated but at the heart of the challenge is the immediate need to change the prevailing attitude that exists within the roster. jmo.

When a coach or staff “loses” a football team the prevailing attitude of many of the players becomes one of “don’t care”. They’re no longer preparing or playing with maximum effort. They don’t start out that way but at some point they lose faith in their coaches, lose their motivation, and essentially just give up. At that point the best you can hope for is that they will show up. They’re not going to do much but at least maybe they’ll show up. jmo.

This can and does happen within any organization with failed leadership. It’s easy to put the responsibility on the players/workers but that’s not why leadership in any organization takes home the largest paychecks. Things don’t work the way they do because we want them to work a certain way; things work the way they do because that’s the way things work. There is cause and effect. jmo.

So there are two things that a new coach must do upon taking over a situation such as ours and they are interrelated. He has to get the guys to change their attitude and he has to get “buy-in” for his vision of what the team can do. jmo.

Culture or attitudes in an organization are not static. In order to establish a winning culture you must demonstrate competent and effective leadership towards a realistic and achievable vision or objective. In order to sustain that culture you must deliver on your promises to the team/organization. There must be winning. If not, then it’s time for the next guy to come on board and start the process all over again.

Think about this. When Josh Heupel took over for Scott Frost at UCF the year after the Knights went 13-0 and won a “national championship”, do you think he was talking about changing the culture in the early days of his tenure there?
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
@BruinVol –

A few days ago you posted links to our previous coaches talking about changing the culture of our football team when they first take the job here. I assumed that you were implying same-old, same-old, BS coach-speak and you seemed a bit derisive toward that. jmo.

I got to thinking about it because you’re right in that we do hear that sort of talk with pretty much every new guy. I’d even think that you would hear that sort of talk with any new coach anywhere where the new guy was coming in because the previous guy failed. jmo.

I think it might make more sense to you if you substituted the word attitude for culture. Culture is more comprehensive and sounds maybe a bit more sophisticated but at the heart of the challenge is the immediate need to change the prevailing attitude that exists within the roster. jmo.

When a coach or staff “loses” a football team the prevailing attitude of many of the players becomes one of “don’t care”. They’re no longer preparing or playing with maximum effort. They don’t start out that way but at some point they lose faith in their coaches, lose their motivation, and essentially just give up. At that point the best you can hope for is that they will show up. They’re not going to do much but at least maybe they’ll show up. jmo.

This can and does happen within any organization with failed leadership. It’s easy to put the responsibility on the players/workers but that’s not why leadership in any organization takes home the largest paychecks. Things don’t work the way they do because we want them to work a certain way; things work the way they do because that’s the way things work. There is cause and effect. jmo.

So there are two things that a new coach must do upon taking over a situation such as ours and they are interrelated. He has to get the guys to change their attitude and he has to get “buy-in” for his vision of what the team can do. jmo.

Culture or attitudes in an organization are not static. In order to establish a winning culture you must demonstrate competent and effective leadership towards a realistic and achievable vision or objective. In order to sustain that culture you must deliver on your promises to the team/organization. There must be winning. If not, then it’s time for the next guy to come on board and start the process all over again.

Think about this. When Josh Heupel took over for Scott Frost at UCF the year after the Knights went 13-0 and won a “national championship”, do you think he was talking about changing the culture in the early days of his tenure there?
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KPT_VFL said:
I have no idea if Heup will win here at the level we expect but I feel like he’s the first genuine coach we have hired. He will give it his all and try to build this the right way. Just feels that even if things don’t go well he will handle things like a man and not stoop to the arrogant petty levels of Pruitt and Butch. I hope he succeeds.
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Maturity level is vastly different. He’s a man, the other dudes have all been weak, used car salesmen. If he can recruit, we should expect no less than 9 win seasons after year 3.
 
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Devo182 said:
He was #3 in the ACC last year in YPA at 8.9 and #1 (yes above TLaw) at 9.6 in 2019.

Now, there could be other reasons for this, but it typically suggests someone willing to push the ball and not dink and dunk all day. You don't get 9 yards a pass off a bunch of checkdowns.
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This is activating my JGPTSD
 
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volatil said:
This is odd for sure. No coaching experience. Name recognition for recruiting. His son plays at MBA right now.
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Seems to be a new thing. Penny at Memphis (granted he was an AAU coach...but well...he was a mere AAU coach...) and Deion at that other school. Bring in a big name, recruit, get fans out and interested again, hope they can learn on the job...they obviously know the game in and out. Not a terrible idea, but certainly gimmicky.
 
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