Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[HoleInTheRoof]

Our staff got 5 guys drafted from UCF, I assume they were mostly 3 stars. Maybe you've forgotten, but our 4 and 5 stars didn't do that well.

Coaching and evaluation matters.

Why don’t you just let me wallow in my misery? How bout that?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

They think it takes time to win. They think it's going to take patience and commitment to recruit the kind of SAs UT wants, develop them to their full potential and build the culture and experience to compete for championships. That's what they stress to boosters/donors and what admin seems committed to doing. UT is under active investigation and in "best foot forward" mode.

How long are they expecting to be under AA penalties? 2-3 years?

 

[SSVol]

Why don’t you just let me wallow in my misery? How bout that?

Knock yourself out.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

idk what universe you think we're 3rd in the east in. We're better than USCe by a hair, and Vanderbilt.

We're talking about talent. I know you're trying to be the new Catbone... but KY never recruits in the top 30 and Mizzou is worse than that. We are way more talented than them and that will not change. What we've lacked is development. And in no universe will KY ever be better than us. Beating us because JG gave them the ball 3 times does not make them better than us. They've beaten us 3 times in 35 years. They are not better than us but you're free to continue in your delusion

 

[LA Vol]

Just want to make sure I have all this straight.
Checkerboards hates Barnes.
Upstate and Voltaire hate Fulmer.
Invol hates Coach Harper.
Bruin hates Vitello.
Hillbilly hates all football coaches except Chip Kelly.
We all hate Pruitt, Jones and Dooley.

Does anyone hate Karen Weekly?

I don't know the names of any of our other coaches, which is actually kinda sad. Does anyone hate any of them?

Thanks.

Think you're gonna need levels of hate for the three stooges.

Dooley: good soundbites; bad HC
Butch: don't shake hands without wet wipes at the ready
Pruitt: turn around and exit the room when he enters

And Karen without Ralph is like sugar-free peanut butter with no jelly.

Don't say the F word unless you want much commentary on his chicanery in accepting what was contractually due.

 

[RikidyBones]

Just want to make sure I have all this straight.
Checkerboards hates Barnes.
Upstate and Voltaire hate Fulmer.
Invol hates Coach Harper.
Bruin hates Vitello.
Hillbilly hates all football coaches except Chip Kelly.
We all hate Pruitt, Jones and Dooley.

Does anyone hate Karen Weekly?

I don't know the names of any of our other coaches, which is actually kinda sad. Does anyone hate any of them?

Thanks.

And 88 is just sitting here at an Applebee's with a margarita not phased because fk it, that's who.

 

[SSVol]

Pretty much the current model. Harder to do in SEC fb-- and harder for fans to be patient when our rivals are so far ahead. Developing project recruits and building from the bottom isn't the fastest way to say "Hello, win column." The program is damaged. We'll see how much they can fix with what we have.

I only expect us to win at, or above, our talent level. As long as that is what we are doing, and the trajectory is up, patience isn't a problem. The problem is that we've been performing well below our talent level, and the trajectory wasn't up. There will always be the vocal minority who think that if we aren't beating Bama we're failing, but Neyland will be full if we are beating the teams we should beat with the talent we have. There is zero reason that we can't win 8 to 9 with good coaching, evaluation, and development.

And honestly, this whole NIL thing should make it possible to (legally) compete with the teams that get us to 10+ wins. The Tennessee fan base is massive and will readily spend money if there is optimism that we have a coach who can coach footbaw and recognize asparagus.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I only expect us to win at, or above, our talent level. As long as that is what we are doing, and the trajectory is up, patience isn't a problem. The problem is that we've been performing well below our talent level, and the trajectory wasn't up. There will always be the vocal minority who think that if we aren't beating Bama we're failing, but Neyland will be full if we are beating the teams we should beat with the talent we have. There is zero reason that we can't win 8 to 9 with good coaching, evaluation, and development.

And honestly, this whole NIL thing should make it possible to (legally) compete with the teams that get us to 10+ wins. The Tennessee fan base is massive and will readily spend money if there is optimism that we have a coach who can coach footbaw and recognize asparagus.

This is very true. We will always be, at worst, more talented than 8 teams we play. Depending on who we get as a west crossover, so Arkansas or one of the Mississippi schools for example, then we are more talented than at least 9 teams we play in the year. We should be winning at that clip. And then, when you're playing at or above your talent level, you land the right QB, you can win at a higher level. And TN has the potential to be as talented as any team in the country. We just haven't given them a reason to come here since Fulmer was fired. If we could begin winning the way that we should with competent coaching, we could bring in talent right now just below bama and Ga.

And one day, Saban will retire, Kirby will get fired, and those teams will come back down to recruiting normalcy and then TN can rise higher.

 

[LA Vol]

How long are they expecting to be under AA penalties? 2-3 years?

Nobody knows or is willing to attach a timeline. Investigation is ongoing, and UT has outside counsel on retainer.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

See ya tomorrow bro

Yep...but I mostly come here now for the camaraderie, not because of sports.

 

[drvenner]

Think you're gonna need levels of hate for the three stooges.

Dooley: good soundbites; bad HC
Butch: don't shake hands without wet wipes at the ready
Pruitt: turn around and exit the room when he enters

And Karen without Ralph is like sugar-free peanut butter with no jelly.

Don't say the F word unless you want much commentary on his chicanery in accepting what was contractually due.

F word for who?

 

[GiggerVol]

Crazy to think about now but I got to thinking about the year our Vols intercepted somewhere around 30 passes in a freakin 10 game season which I think is still the school record and this was of course when running the ball was still the main focus of the vast majority of sec offenses. What great memories those were. Never or hardly ever on tv but listening to Ward say "intercepted Tennessee" was pretty common that year.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Never mind.

Do you want it to be a greed driven free for all mess like pro sports?

 

[drvenner]

Do you want it to be a greed driven free for all mess like pro sports?

No, not at all. I just want to enjoy my team. It just seems inequitable to me that the players who are making the games happen and putting their bodies at risk, should not get anything other than a scholarship, which has way less value than the amount of revenue they are generating.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It’s June. Got a whole season to play.


Me with recruiting right now…

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That is where I'm at. I knew it was going to be rough when they nuked the program to get rid of Fulmer and Pruitt.

It is what it is now. Hopefully the crew we have now can do well enough to slowly build back the program to the point we can get elite players again.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

No, not at all. I just want to enjoy my team. It just seems inequitable to me that the players who are making the games happen and putting their bodies at risk, should not get anything other than a scholarship, which has way less value than the amount of revenue they are generating.

Do you know what a scholarship is worth? That is a ****** fortune to me. It is invaluable to the "student-athletes" that are smart enough to take it seriously.

 

[MrVolton]

The basketball model is the way to go. Barnes only landed 3 star nobodies. Then he won with them and put them in the league. Now the 5 stars are lining up to come here. Do the same with football

We should have focused on a coach that could do more with less for a long time now. From ‘08 until about ‘13, we could still recruit top 10 based purely on brand. Get a guy that could win, and it would have taken off like a rocket. Big reason why I wanted Petersen going back to ‘08.

 

[LA Vol]

F word for who?

He who must not be named. Or many pages denouncing him shall ensue.

 

[Ace]

Two key assistant coaches for this rebuild are Garner and Elarbee. Football begins at line of scrimmage. Develop 3 stars and put them in league and then 4 & 5 stars will come.
Pruitt was stupid to neglect the line of scrimmage with subpar coaching

 

[TrippieRedd]

Two key assistant coaches for this rebuild are Garner and Elarbee. Football begins at line of scrimmage. Develop 3 stars and put them in league and then 4 & 5 stars will come.
Pruitt was stupid to neglect the line of scrimmage with subpar coaching

I hope Elarbee turns Grant and Masai Reddick into studs.

 

[Weezer]

He who must not be named. Or many pages denouncing him shall ensue.

The Great Pumpkin

 

[GoBigOrange86]

We should have focused on a coach that could do more with less for a long time now. From ‘08 until about ‘13, we could still recruit top 10 based purely on brand. Get a guy that could win, and it would have taken off like a rocket. Big reason why I wanted Petersen going back to ‘08.

It should have been Patterson. He wanted it. Wasn’t good enough for Hambone.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Nobody knows or is willing to attach a timeline. Investigation is ongoing, and UT has outside counsel on retainer.

Gotcha, IMO the rebuild can't truly begin until that's gone

 

[Christian Lowe]

And Mizzou and Kentucky…

We're talking about talent. I know you're trying to be the new Catbone... but KY never recruits in the top 30 and Mizzou is worse than that. We are way more talented than them and that will not change. What we've lacked is development. And in no universe will KY ever be better than us. Beating us because JG gave them the ball 3 times does not make them better than us. They've beaten us 3 times in 35 years. They are not better than us but you're free to continue in your delusion

This year they’re better than us is all I am saying.

 

[VolGee4]

I only expect us to win at, or above, our talent level. As long as that is what we are doing, and the trajectory is up, patience isn't a problem. The problem is that we've been performing well below our talent level, and the trajectory wasn't up. There will always be the vocal minority who think that if we aren't beating Bama we're failing, but Neyland will be full if we are beating the teams we should beat with the talent we have. There is zero reason that we can't win 8 to 9 with good coaching, evaluation, and development.

And honestly, this whole NIL thing should make it possible to (legally) compete with the teams that get us to 10+ wins. The Tennessee fan base is massive and will readily spend money if there is optimism that we have a coach who can coach footbaw and recognize asparagus.

Was in Omaha as Vol fans were buying up merchandise. I told my MSU buddy that we will buy and pay for anything.