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BruinVol said:
And only on VN are 9 wins seasons ridiculed

Unreal how ungrateful and forgetful this board is of the only few good years we have had in recent memories
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Butch deserves credit for getting the players to Tennessee, nothing more.

If it weren't for Dobbs, Kamara, and Jennings carrying the team or pulling miracles, Butch wins 7 games per season max. Dobbs alone was worth 2 wins a year, in spite of horrible play calling and game management.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
It was thrown perfectly. Callaway had so many balls miss him, if he wasn't jumping 10 feet in the air to catch the ones that were even close. The ball is intercepted or through the goal posts if JG throws it.
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That's not a good pass let alone a perfect one. It's only caught because Callaway is that good NOT Winston.
 
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Still hurt that we lost to Georgia last year, I mean if tonight is going to be the night that we all celebrate Festivus.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Why wasn't the 50 yard touchdown pass that went over double-coverage to a spot that only his guy could catch it, allowing a great athlete to make an incredible catch, not a good pass?

Out of curiosity, what's your take on this one:
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That one is far closer to perfect. The first one relied completely on Quez to make the play.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
2015 losses to Oklahoma, Florida, and Arkansas were inexcusable. Stepping up to Bama in their stadium deserves credit.

2016 losses to South Carolina (off of a bye, with the East still on the line) and Vanderbilt (with a ticket to the Sugar Bowl on the line) are beyond inexcusable.

And every season since, we are reminded of what we had on that team with talent popping here and there in the NFL. 2015 and 2016 should have had 20 reg season wins minimum between them and at least one East title. Completely mismanaged, it still pisses me off.
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2015, even though that team was not "ready," was Butch's best team and should have gone 10-2 (losses to Arkansas and Alabama). I'm being generous and not even including Arkansas in the "should have won" category; how they lost to them was not as egregious as the Oklahoma and Florida losses, but remember they blew a 14-0 first quarter lead to them too. They lost those 4 games by a combined 17 points.

Inexplicably, his 2016 team was not better than the 2015 team, despite bringing back every key player. I'm not sure which loss was more inexplicable; South Carolina or Vandy. South Carolina was QBed in that game by a high school senior (Jake Bentley) and they played like a team that was unmotivated and had kind of given up, which is unbelievable given what they still had to play for.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
2015 losses to Oklahoma, Florida, and Arkansas were inexcusable. Stepping up to Bama in their stadium deserves credit.

2016 losses to South Carolina (off of a bye, with the East still on the line) and Vanderbilt (with a ticket to the Sugar Bowl on the line) are beyond inexcusable.

And every season since, we are reminded of what we had on that team with talent popping here and there in the NFL. 2015 and 2016 should have had 20 reg season wins minimum between them and at least one East title. Completely mismanaged, it still pisses me off.
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Butch was such a loser.
 
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05_never_again said:
2015, even though that team was not "ready," was Butch's best team and should have gone 10-2 (losses to Arkansas and Alabama). I'm being generous and not even including Arkansas in the "should have won" category; how they lost to them was not as egregious as the Oklahoma and Florida losses, but remember they blew a 14-0 first quarter lead to them too. They lost those 4 games by a combined 17 points.

Inexplicably, his 2016 team was not better than the 2015 team, despite bringing back every key player. I'm not sure which loss was more inexplicable; South Carolina or Vandy. South Carolina was QBed in that game by a high school senior (Jake Bentley) and they played like a team that was unmotivated and had kind of given up, which is unbelievable given what they still had to play for.
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2015

Up 17-3 on OU in the 4th quarter at home
Up 27-14 on Florida in the 4th quarter
Came out 14-0 at home and couldn't capitalize

2016

I'm still puzzled about South Carolina like you. We were coming off of a bye, with the East still up for grabs, and laid a dud. The only thing I could think was that the team was way more injured and divided after the Georgia, A&M, and Bama games. Seemed like that's when our lack of depth on defense started to really hurt.

That Vanderbilt game was the maddest I've ever been after a Tennessee loss. And we've had some worse ones, I think. But the culmination of what should have been into a team that lost to Vandy and didn't even achieve anything worthwhile. It was so infuriating.

Then you add in all the stupid excuses, slogans, and straight up nonsense that he would spout following those games. I very much remember the lost 4 games by 17 points line because he wouldn't shut the hell up about it between 2015 and 2016. He was constantly selling, which is fine if you don't know better. He bragged about things that weren't worth bragging about and dismissed greater goals like he had done it all before. "Yeah, we returned every key player and lost games we had no business losing, but we're the champions of life. Oh, and here's a trashcan." What a jackass.

Butch needs to go back up to Big Ten land, I truly think he can be successful recruiting and coaching there. His teams did fine against Iowa, Northwestern, and Nebraska. I think that league is more his speed.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
2015

Up 17-3 on OU in the 4th quarter at home
Up 27-14 on Florida in the 4th quarter
Came out 14-0 at home and couldn't capitalize

2016

I'm still puzzled about South Carolina like you. We were coming off of a bye, with the East still up for grabs, and laid a dud. The only thing I could think was that the team was way more injured and divided after the Georgia, A&M, and Bama games. Seemed like that's when our lack of depth on defense started to really hurt.

That Vanderbilt game was the maddest I've ever been after a Tennessee loss. And we've had some worse ones, I think. But the culmination of what should have been into a team that lost to Vandy and didn't even achieve anything worthwhile. It was so infuriating.

Then you add in all the stupid excuses, slogans, and straight up nonsense that he would spout following those games. I very much remember the lost 4 games by 17 points line because he wouldn't shut the hell up about it between 2015 and 2016. He was constantly selling, which is fine if you don't know better. He bragged about things that weren't worth bragging about and dismissed greater goals like he had done it all before. "Yeah, we returned every key player and lost games we had no business losing, but we're the champions of life. Oh, and here's a trashcan." What a jackass.

Butch needs to go back up to Big Ten land, I truly think he can be successful recruiting and coaching there. His teams did fine against Iowa, Northwestern, and Nebraska. I think that league is more his speed.
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After the Vandy loss in 2016, I told my fiancee (now wife) after the game that Butch was not the dude who was going to take us where we wanted to go. Not that he was about to be fired right then, but that he probably was never going to win an SEC East title here, especially with the team you could see he was going to have coming back next year. It ended up coming apart for him even faster than I realized.

Butch's most absurd statement to me, even worse than Champions of Life or 5-Star Hearts, was him saying at 2017 SEC Media Days that the 2016 season was not a disappointment, and that the 2015 and 2016 seasons were 2 of the greatest seasons at Tennessee in the last 20 years. I can rattle off hand, purely from memory without even having to look them up, about 5 seasons within the last 20 years that were better than 2015 and 2016. 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2004, 2007. I think he looked back and knew about the national championship season, but thought that the 2015 and 2016 seasons were next best after that. That was just such an absurd comment given Tennessee's history, and it was like after the 2016 season he smacked the dust off his hands and said "Man, I've done a really good job here." I do not think he every truly understood what the expectations were here.
 
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