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Cincinnati was outmatched, as we all knew they would be. The point is, they did everything they could possibly do to qualify, and they deserved the chance because of it. They played and beat multiple P5 opponents (including a Top 10 win on the road), handily beat their opponents, won their conference, and went undefeated. If a team with that resume doesn't "deserve" to make the playoffs, then what is the point?

If there's no possible avenue for G5 teams to qualify for a playoff, then they should have their own national championship playoff. In what sport do half the teams in the league have no shot to make the playoff, regardless of what they do during the season?

There's not a sport on Earth, except for college football, where an argument is made that an undefeated team with that resume doesn't "deserve" to make the playoff.

TLDR: Cincy deserved the opportunity. If G5 teams don't have a chance to play in the playoffs, then there should be a separate league with a separate championship.
 
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SoilVol said:
Cincinnati was outmatched, as we all knew they would be. The point is, they did everything they could possibly do to qualify, and they deserved the chance because of it. They played and beat multiple P5 opponents (including a Top 10 win on the road), handily beat their opponents, won their conference, and went undefeated. If a team with that resume doesn't "deserve" to make the playoffs, then what is the point?

If there's no possible avenue for G5 teams to qualify for a playoff, then they should have their own national championship playoff. In what sport do half the teams in the league have no shot to make the playoff, regardless of what they do during the season?

There's not a sport on Earth, except for college football, where an argument is made that an undefeated team with that resume doesn't "deserve" to make the playoff.

TLDR: Cincy deserved the opportunity. If G5 teams don't have a chance to play in the playoffs, then there should be a separate league with a separate championship.
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needed more playoff teams
 
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SoilVol said:
Cincinnati was outmatched, as we all knew they would be. The point is, they did everything they could possibly do to qualify, and they deserved the chance because of it. They played and beat multiple P5 opponents (including a Top 10 win on the road), handily beat their opponents, won their conference, and went undefeated. If a team with that resume doesn't "deserve" to make the playoffs, then what is the point?

If there's no possible avenue for G5 teams to qualify for a playoff, then they should have their own national championship playoff. In what sport do half the teams in the league have no shot to make the playoff, regardless of what they do during the season?

There's not a sport on Earth, except for college football, where an argument is made that an undefeated team with that resume doesn't "deserve" to make the playoff.

TLDR: Cincy deserved the opportunity. If G5 teams don't have a chance to play in the playoffs, then there should be a separate league with a separate championship.
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I do agree with you for the most part. I think what would help is scheduling tougher OOC games. Yes they beat ND but but other than that they have such an easy schedule. I think about about we got to do to get there and I guess I want to see other teams like Michigan who have a tough conference to earn it if you will. Maybe Cincy ought to go to the ACC or Big Ten? Seriously. Just having a conversation here ok? LOL
 
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Orange Studs said:
I do agree with you for the most part. I think what would help is scheduling tougher OOC games. Yes they beat ND but but other than that they have such an easy schedule. I think about about we got to do to get there and I guess I want to see other teams like Michigan who have a tough conference to earn it if you will. Maybe Cincy ought to go to the ACC or Big Ten? Seriously. Just having a conversation here ok? LOL
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I think they're going to benefit by their move to the Big12 in 2025. Will be interesting to see if Fickell stays and sells that to recruits.

But I've actually always been interested in just making the G5 a different league with a national championship. And good programs can always jump up to P5 (and tbh, maybe bad P5 programs can be relegated to G5 conferences).
 
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WebbCobb said:
Similar offenses under Freeze and Malzahn have given Bama trouble for years. My biggest concern is recruiting defence; although you can really rack up stats given that the defence is on the field so much
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The defense is only on the field so much because they don't make plays and get off of it.
 
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Devo182 said:
Thus machine learning. You tell it the parameters...you show it a penalty vs not and give it ranges of acceptability/flexibility and it adapts. You test it and test it and test it until it is many times better than human refs. And only then you unleash it.

Professional refs are still bad at their job. And it ISN'T their fault. Humans just aren't capable (enough) for acceptable error rates. No different from driving. No shame in that. We just need, with jobs on the line and kids' and programs' futures on the line...a better solution than the same old human errors every game, at every level, every year after year for eternity.
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I seriously hate this isht. Machines are stupid...they have no, and will never have the ability for abstract thought...and if they ever do, I hope we destroy them all before they do us.
 
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So, the way this is going I seriously wonder if Bama and Georgia are just out of this world good this year... and if Cincinnati wouldn't actually make it a game with Michigan...
 
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Devo182 said:
Thus machine learning. You tell it the parameters...you show it a penalty vs not and give it ranges of acceptability/flexibility and it adapts. You test it and test it and test it until it is many times better than human refs. And only then you unleash it.

Professional refs are still bad at their job. And it ISN'T their fault. Humans just aren't capable (enough) for acceptable error rates. No different from driving. No shame in that. We just need, with jobs on the line and kids' and programs' futures on the line...a better solution than the same old human errors every game, at every level, every year after year for eternity.
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Plus...they didn't make mistakes last night, they were bent, and machines can be programmed even easier to do that.
 
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SoilVol said:
So, the way this is going I seriously wonder if Bama and Georgia are just out of this world good this year... and if Cincinnati wouldn't actually make it a game with Michigan...
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I knew once Michigan took down OSU it would definitely be a UGA-Bama rematch in the national championship. OSU with their offense might have given UGA more trouble than Michigan can.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I really like Heupel’s offense. It’s great. It’s fun. It scores a ton of points.

But it has some negatives for me. It’s hard to put away games if you don’t execute as you will have several bad 3 and outs that put you in tough spots.

I think the pros out way the cons.

I think if you execute well you blow out the other team but if you sputter like last night you let a team back into it and it’s harder to get back control.
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It's not the offenses fault...it is all on the defense. Getting off the damn field is their job. Good defensive coaches should be ecstatic to have 45 points put up for them.
 
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