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Enki_Amenra said:
After spending multiple hours deep in critical research, I've found that both parties (if you're American) are likely right.

What’s The Difference Between Baloney And Bologna? - Dictionary.com

I'd like to motion for a move to the topic of buttermilk. Is it acceptable to pour it straight from the jug to a glass and drink it that way? Should it only be used for making biscuits, cornbread, or other dishes that include multiple ingredients?
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Buttermilk is not my bag but I don't begrudge anyone a drink if it pleases them. I'll sit back with my spoonful of mayo!
 
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Orangeburst said:
Come on man
we talking potted meats.

Oops… @Glitch
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Freakly, he shouldn’t even need to be summoned, should since a change in the matrix has occurred, a disturbance in the force, spidey sense, something. That’s a good one.

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Edit: Wait a minute… ☝🏻WSS
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So I am confused. We have some posters on here that continually spout NIL is the only factor in recruiting. The only reason a team gets a recruit is because of NIL. Relationships don’t matter now. But here we have Jordan Addison, one of the best WRs in the nation, turning down much better NIL deals to play with Caleb Williams at USC.

USC WR Jordan Addison received higher NIL offers from other programs, per report
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This, children, is what we call a "straw man" logical fallacy. This occurs when the person formulates an extreme, fake position (or exaggerates a position) and poses it as the real position/view held by a person or group then attacks it.

If "some posters on here" are "continually" making this clearly outrageous assertion that NIL is the only thing that matters now, then it should be easy for you to name those posters and provide examples of these posters making this outrageous argument.

But you're only here to troll for attention, and we know that.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
After spending multiple hours deep in critical research, I've found that both parties (if you're American) are likely right.

What’s The Difference Between Baloney And Bologna? - Dictionary.com

I'd like to motion for a move to the topic of buttermilk. Is it acceptable to pour it straight from the jug to a glass and drink it that way? Should it only be used for making biscuits, cornbread, or other dishes that include multiple ingredients?
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You only spell it boloney if it's wrapped in aluminium foil.
 
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On NIL -

Sankey has said, “what we’re seeing is straight pay for play.”

Kirby Smart has said, “recruits are going to the highest bidders.”

Saban has said schools are paying for their entire teams.

Spyre Sports told the Athletic in February that NIL deals are up there at the top among considerations recruits are looking at in choosing where they will sign.

Elite player for years have openly stated in their recruiting process that where they end up is a business decision.

It was reported that Jordan Addison was offered around $3.5 million and the use of a luxury home if he ended up at USC.

lol

NIL isn’t really all that big of a deal and obviously the reports noted above back up that assertion. /snark

Saban is whining because by his own admission last year he only had $3 million in NIL opportunities to offer his team. Alabama is a broke-ass state. If prices rise too much they are not going to be able to compete.

There’s not a single billionaire in the entire state of Alabama, same for Mississippi, so you know where Kiffin is coming from. For Ultra-High Net Worth households in the state (>$30 million wealth), Alabama and Mississippi are at the very bottom of the conference and they have to compete in state with Auburn and Mississippi State, as a minimum. Alabama and Mississippi also have the lowest number of millionaires by state in the conference, by a long shot.

In contrast, Tennessee has at least 10 billionaires and over 3 times as many UHNW households and twice the number of millionaires and Vandy hasn’t yet offered any real instate competition from a NIL perspective.

Back in the day, Tennessee had a tremendous advantage in recruiting because we were among the very few with the absolute best facilities. Then we had a facilities arms race and a lot of schools now have elite facilities. NIL is the new arms race.

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In just more than seven months since being introduced to college sports, name, image and likeness has morphed into a recruiting superweapon.

And in the never-ending arms race of college football, those who outfit themselves best are bound to prosper.

The money is staggering, and so is the influence, especially for those with the means to show recruits their market value can outpace what it might be on a campus elsewhere.

“Neyland Stadium being packed, passion of the fans, being in the SEC, all those things are still major factors,” Baddour said, “but what NIL opportunities a player will have is right up there at the top now.”

The total NIL cost for a given recruiting class, like most monetary figures in the college athletics arms race, figures to only rise. In Spyre’s case, it’s preparing and planning for that number to balloon to $25 million to $30 million in the coming years.

It’s why it enlisted the help of a Washington, D.C., political fundraiser it connected with via Heath Shuler, a former Tennessee quarterback who played in the NFL before spending six years in Congress.

“They’ve taken the right approach, which is to get the right people involved and engaged, and they’ve done that from the fan standpoint to the high donors,” said Shuler, who does consulting work with the group. “The respect they have across the board has been evident in the amount of progress they’ve made and the amount of money they’ve raised.”

“Reasonable people can disagree on NIL as a good or bad thing for college sports. But both sides can agree that it’s not going anywhere, and if you want to be competitive, you better embrace it, or you’ll be left behind,” Baddour said. “Support has been outstanding. People get it. They understand, even if they don’t like it. They want to win and they want to do whatever is necessary to win.”

Spyre has given Tennessee a head start, but staying ahead as collectives (and their respective budgets) grow, is the task at hand for any collective.

“The next two years are critical, specifically for football. We have to stay innovative, organized and grow our team. We have to go out and fundraise nationally. If we execute, Tennessee will be able to close the talent gap with teams like Georgia and Alabama a lot quicker than the previous model, where you had to build a program back slowly,” Baddour said. “It’s an everyday situation, and we want to make sure we’re ahead of our competitors in the NIL space.”
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Jimbo is a perfect example of "the guilty proclaim their innocence the loudest." All he had to do was say, "hey, they changed the rules, we took advantage of it, and we stayed within those new rules the whole time." I think eventually we're going to see that they were not quite staying within even the generous new rules.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
On NIL -

Sankey has said, “what we’re seeing is straight pay for play.”

Kirby Smart has said, “recruits are going to the highest bidders.”

Saban has said schools are paying for their entire teams.

Spyre Sports told the Athletic in February that NIL deals are up there at the top among considerations recruits are looking at in choosing where they will sign.

Elite player for years have openly stated in their recruiting process that where they end up is a business decision.

It was reported that Jordan Addison was offered around $3.5 million and the use of a luxury home if he ended up at USC.

lol

NIL isn’t really all that big of a deal and obviously the reports noted above back up that assertion. /snark

Saban is whining because by his own admission last year he only had $3 million in NIL opportunities to offer his team. Alabama is a broke-ass state. If prices rise too much they are not going to be able to compete.

There’s not a single billionaire in the entire state of Alabama, same for Mississippi, so you know where Kiffin is coming from. For Ultra-High Net Worth households in the state (>$30 million wealth), Alabama and Mississippi are at the very bottom of the conference and they have to compete in state with Auburn and Mississippi State, as a minimum. Alabama and Mississippi also have the lowest number of millionaires by state in the conference, by a long shot.

In contrast, Tennessee has at least 10 billionaires and over 3 times as many UHNW households and twice the number of millionaires and Vandy hasn’t yet offered any real instate competition from a NIL perspective.

Back in the day, Tennessee had a tremendous advantage in recruiting because we were among the very few with the absolute best facilities. Then we had a facilities arms race and a lot of schools now have elite facilities. NIL is the new arms race.

Snippets from the Athletic article on Spyre -
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everyone correct me if I'm wrong, but since when has the argument ben either (all) or (none/micro)?

Hasn't the inverse argument been that NIL is a huge deal, but not the only deciding factor? i.e. A player may actually take a lower NIL deal if a school checks off other important checks on their list?
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
There’s not a single billionaire in the entire state of Alabama, same for Mississippi, so you know where Kiffin is coming from. For Ultra-High Net Worth households in the state (>$30 million wealth), Alabama and Mississippi are at the very bottom of the conference and they have to compete in state with Auburn and Mississippi State, as a minimum. Alabama and Mississippi also have the lowest number of millionaires by state in the conference, by a long shot.
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And that's what will incentivize Saban's retirement.

Priceless.
 
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jave36 said:
Jimbo is a perfect example of "the guilty proclaim their innocence the loudest." All he had to do was say, "hey, they changed the rules, we took advantage of it, and we stayed within those new rules the whole time." I think eventually we're going to see that they were not quite staying within even the generous new rules.
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Exactly. Or just focus on Saban’s hypocrisy and disingenuousness when he says he is worried about parity. Saban is absolutely worried about losing his competitive advantage in recruiting because he know the Bama network won’t be able to keep up under the new system. Saban is like the local bookie complaining about the casino with the legal sportsbook that opened up across town. Instead Jimbo has to go all “I never lie and I never cheat” and all these fine young men just came to College Station because they love Aggie tradition.
 
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