Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[LynxVol]

This is a pretty dumb argument, IMO.

Also IMO, I think Pruitt hires the guy he's more familiar with. I think he should go for a good fit in addition to going for a good coach. I'm still not convinced that Freeze is a good fit for us despite the fact that he is a really good coach.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Say we score 50 TDs in a year. Wouldn’t five extra maybe swing the balance in a game or two?

Absolutely - but how do we factor in a possible recruiting hit? It might just be short term until the controversy blows over, but do we figure that in to our calculation?

 

[Kingston Vol]

Georgia Tech is a 3 star haven also. Main reason I doubt the move.

Well we were talking about the idea of 1) Leach going to GT and 2) increasing their recruiting profile to elite status as a result.

I think he could be successful there. But I don’t think it would be a result of being an elite recruiter. He’d still get the leftovers like he does now.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don’t see it as apples to apples.

I think Ainge’s drug abuse was a victimless crime. I personally wouldn’t be worried that my adult son being around him now would be at risk of being influenced to use drugs by him. I can’t even think how that might happen outside some extreme unlikely scenario.

As for Freeze, his probalem is morality. I despise those fake Christian hypocrites and I don’t want that person to be a role model for my kid unless I know they’ve changed.

My step-father was a recovered addict and he was the greatest Influence on my life, so I am obviously a bit biased too

again, i'm not quibbling over the offense. as much as it is the 2nd chance, or at the very least, the opportunity to make amends.

i'm not condoning what ainge did, nor what Freeze did. i just think from the standpoint of "2nd chances" or whatever, it's extremely hypocritical of Ainge to sit there and act like Freeze shouldn't even get the opportunity to earn that chance. when he wouldn't be where he is, had somoene not given one to him.

 

[butchna]

Well we were talking about the idea of 1) Leach going to GT and 2) increasing their recruiting profile to elite status as a result.

I think he could be successful there. But I don’t think it would be a result of being an elite recruiter. He’d still get the leftovers like he does now.

True. He’s never been an elite recruiter...wouldn’t have been for us and Georgia Tech doesn’t recruit itself.

 

[MadWorld]

Was Freeze hiring hookers for players? I thought he was just hiring them for himself.

Been going on for hundred, probably thousands of years.

 

[AppStVol]

Pretty cool. Will is a great kid. Wonder is WSU was the pac 12 school, losing Minshew (sp?) this year.

Doubtful. Nothing about his game that screams accurate thrower. He looks more scrappy than anything to me.

 

[TNVols91]

Yah I didn’t say that it was. I said I don’t think Ainge’s was.

Usually the direct impact on others is theft. He had money, so I doubt he stole.

You wanna talk about the psychological impact of families worrying about the health of their loved one? That’s valid.

The impact of the drug economy and its effect on people. Valid.

But most of those same things I’d compare to how prostitution is “victimless” in the same capacity

As long as the prostitute is one by choice and not being forced into by somebody I don't see how him paying somebody for sex is worse than drug addiction. To me it's the same it's something illegal and they're not proud of. As long as they have stopped and dont do it anymore I dont see the difference.
You say you can't stand the fake Christian thing and I can understand that because it's being a hypocrite, but isn't Ainge being a hypocrite too for expecting people to forgive him for his past but not forgiving someone else for theirs?

 

[AppStVol]

How do we think his open Trump support would be used against him in inner city Atlanta?

It’s a red state bro, you think Kirby and the UGA brass aren’t Trump supporters?

 

[butchna]

Doubtful. Nothing about his game that screams accurate thrower. He looks more scrappy than anything to me.

Leach doesn’t like screamers. Gets what he can and coaches em up.

 

[AppStVol]

Leach doesn’t like screamers. Gets what he can and coaches em up.

I get that, but you can watch a practice highlight and see McBride is not very accurate.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

So I went back and looked at Freeze's record at Ole Miss. 2012-2016. Against P5 opponents his record was 22-24. Could it be that we are anchoring our opinion on Freeze from his Fluke wins against Bama, while all the while ignoring that was the defintion of mediocre. Just saying.

 

[Dudley Smith]

So I went back and looked at Freeze's record at Ole Miss. 2012-2016. Against P5 opponents his record was 22-24. Could it be that we are anchoring our opinion on Freeze from his Fluke wins against Bama, while all the while ignoring that was the defintion of mediocre. Just saying.

He got Ole Miss to a Sugar Bowl and won it. That’s more than we’ve seen around here in a long time.

 

[bignewt]

Not hiring him to be head coach so record is irrelevant, look at offensive stats.

 

[hotcypress]

Not sure why anyone is blasting Will McBride. He came in, kept his head down (except for some twitter posts, and played for us when we didn't have any other options. I'm glad the guy is going to get a shot in a different situation. I'm excited about the talent we'll get to replace the ones that transferred, but no reason to blast them. We can't point to McBride as being one of the players who wasn't giving his all; dude never got a chance this year.

 

[therickbol]

So I went back and looked at Freeze's record at Ole Miss. 2012-2016. Against P5 opponents his record was 22-24. Could it be that we are anchoring our opinion on Freeze from his Fluke wins against Bama, while all the while ignoring that was the defintion of mediocre. Just saying.

There is 100% some overhype attached to him. How much is the question? How good is he at recruiting without cheating...hard to know. He is obv a good offensive mind that was successful when he had great talent....how good does he scheme up if he is having to mask deficiencies and adapt to different talent?

 

[revjayp]

Now we’re equating a substance addiction with hiring hookers for 17 and 18 year olds?

I think it’s more or less, judging our “sins” against other people’s sins. It’s easy to feel good about what you’ve done when you perceive the next guy has done worse. (Not you but you in general.) Ultimately there has to be an absolute truth that sets the standard for right and wrong. If only there was a book that showed us that standard... .

 

[quadlee21]

I think he could be successful there. But I don’t think it would be a result of being an elite recruiter. He’d still get the leftovers like he does now.[/QUOTE]

Yea, but the leftovers he would be getting in this region will be on a whole different level then what he is currently getting. I think he would kill it at Tech

 

[rjd970]

Report: Hugh Freeze given a one-year show cause penalty as a head coac

Dated Dec 1st, 2017. Could it be the SEC nixed Bama hiring him because the show cause was in effect? Interesting too that the one year show cause is officially over after tomorrow.

 

[revjayp]

If we hired Freeze the backlash of negative media wouldn't last long. And it would turn into a comeback story of a family man who just wants to coach young men to be better than himself, Americans love that stuff. Especially when we start winning big games. It'll be a featured story on game day by Tom Rinaldi - "A once troubled coach turned his life around with the support of Fulmer, Pruitt and the Tennessee fanbase. It's paying huge dividends in Freeze's family, community and a proud Tennessee program which is now back at the top of the CFB world. Back to you, Kirk..."

I heard this loud and clear. May or may not have shed a tear.

 

[volfanCLT]

Well we were talking about the idea of 1) Leach going to GT and 2) increasing their recruiting profile to elite status as a result.

I think he could be successful there. But I don’t think it would be a result of being an elite recruiter. He’d still get the leftovers like he does now.

Leftovers in Atlanta >>>> leftovers in Pullman

 

[revjayp]

Is Freeze so much better than Lindsey, Drinkwitz, McClendon, etc. that we’re willing to lower our standards and take a big PR hit in order to hire him? I’m not sure. That’s the discussion happening at UT right now and the discussion we should be having.

He’s a good coach. But is he THAT much better than any alternative?

Better than Lindsey? Probably not. But I’d take him over that part time Macy’s salesman, Drinkwhatever... no way he puts fear into the hearts of DCs.

 

[engineerVOL]

If we hired Freeze the backlash of negative media wouldn't last long. And it would turn into a comeback story of a family man who just wants to coach young men to be better than himself, Americans love that stuff. Especially when we start winning big games. It'll be a featured story on game day by Tom Rinaldi - "A once troubled coach turned his life around with the support of Fulmer, Pruitt and the Tennessee fanbase. It's paying huge dividends in Freeze's family, community and a proud Tennessee program which is now back at the top of the CFB world. Back to you, Kirk..."

Yea Tennessee isn’t afforded the luxury of the “benefit of doubt” as of late unfortunately. Hopefully since it would not be the HC position he wouldn’t get too much attention.

 

[InVOLuntary]

There is 100% some overhype attached to him. How much is the question? How good is he at recruiting without cheating...hard to know. He is obv a good offensive mind that was successful when he had great talent....how good does he scheme up if he is having to mask deficiencies and adapt to different talent?

I'm not sure his recruiting will be all that special from a standpoint of sitting in someone's living room. I think his benefit to recruiting will be his reputation for being a great offensive mind and having a high flying exciting offense that kids will want to play in.

 

[StoVol]

i would expect most coaches to have a record against top 25 that is not as great against scrubs, you have to remember tho, he was climbing his way up at Ole Piss, in the strong Sec west