Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[InVOLuntary]

Would make sense. Not sure why Jimmy floated the JUCO route. That doesn’t save him any eligibility...unless he enrolled in one without a football program.

I don't think that helps either. The clock runs regardless.

 

[omghulkhands]

he is taking a pretty tough stance here. talking about he wouldn't let his sone play for TN if Freeze was on the staff.

i think it's A LOT hypocritical for someone to just axe the possibliyt of 2nd chances, i mean, you don't even get the attempt w/Ainge apparently. and yeah, given his past, you'd think he'd have a different perspective on being able to overcome and be better off in the end. Even if Ainge relapsed, is he gonna be trying to get kids to do them?

weird to hear him be this adamant about it....especialy since it is him. i don't get it. and he's going completely unchecked..........

I don’t see it as apples to apples.

I think Ainge’s drug abuse was a victimless crime. I personally wouldn’t be worried that my adult son being around him now would be at risk of being influenced to use drugs by him. I can’t even think how that might happen outside some extreme unlikely scenario.

As for Freeze, his probalem is morality. I despise those fake Christian hypocrites and I don’t want that person to be a role model for my kid unless I know they’ve changed.

My step-father was a recovered addict and he was the greatest Influence on my life, so I am obviously a bit biased too

 

[butchna]

Well in my opinion Ainge shouldn't be throwing stones. Some parents may not like his past issues.

The parents that never knew anyone addicted to anything?

 

[Wickman]

Ainge is probably trying to be a poison pill here at the behest of the university. The administration knows what the fan base would like to see, the big flashy hire. They most likely won't travel that path and are using Ainge to quell the enthusiasm for Freeze.

Or, it could be like having your cake and eating it too. We hire Freeze but our local media acts like we didn’t want the hire. That way we get plausible deniability in hiring him as a fan base but still get the good results. It’s the beauty of hypocrisy.

 

[VOLuptuousBOOMS]

The longer this goes until NSD the more I become convinced that we end with a top 3 class.

We would have to have significant turnover for that to happen... No chance at top 3. We should be ecstatic if we finish in the 7-10 range. 7th is our ceiling.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Ainge just said he wouldn't let his son play for Freeze! Ainge of all people who has had issues in the past. I'm sure he's changed his life and I'm glad. But that's a wierd stance from someone in his position in my opinion.

I just don't get it.....

Now we’re equating a substance addiction with hiring hookers for 17 and 18 year olds?

 

[Tri-CitiesVol]

If Leach takes Georgia Tech the annual game versus UGA gets interesting.

He would have them playing for a conference title within 3 years.

 

[butchna]

I don't think that helps either. The clock runs regardless.

Jarrett Stidham’s didn’t. Paid his own way at McLennan Community College and didn’t lose any eligibility. He was hotly recruited after Baylor tho. Not sure McBride would benefit from sitting without being able to practice and develop.

 

[omghulkhands]

If Leach takes Georgia Tech the annual game versus UGA gets interesting.

He would have them playing for a conference title within 3 years.

Have to totally flip the roster. Gonna be funny to see guys recruited for the option switch to air raid

 

[TNVols91]

I don’t see it as apples to apples.

I think Ainge’s drug abuse was a victimless crime. I personally wouldn’t be worried that my adult son being around him now would be at risk of being influenced to use drugs by him. I can’t even think how that might happen outside some extreme unlikely scenario.

As for Freeze, his probalem is morality. I despise those fake Christian hypocrites and I don’t want that person to be a role model for my kid unless I know they’ve changed.

My step-father was a recovered addict and he was the greatest Influence on my life, so I am obviously a bit biased too

Drug abuse/addiction is not a victimless crime. I couldnt possibly stress this enough so I won't even try.

 

[LightningVol]

There is something to consider with what Freeze did. This is something I learned in a sex trafficking class that I took as training hours as a foster parent, FWIW. Some people are forced to be prostitutes and there are times that there are kids (under 18) that are forced into this (tied into the sex trafficking). I am no expert and who knows if a situation like this occurred, but prostitutes are not always doing this by choice.

 

[Skizer41]

Now we’re equating a substance addiction with hiring hookers for 17 and 18 year olds?

No. I'm saying Ainge had issues. And has since changed. Why would he assume that others haven't taken his same path?

 

[omghulkhands]

Drug abuse/addiction is not a victimless crime. I couldnt possibly stress this enough so I won't even try.

Yah I didn’t say that it was. I said I don’t think Ainge’s was.

Usually the direct impact on others is theft. He had money, so I doubt he stole.

You wanna talk about the psychological impact of families worrying about the health of their loved one? That’s valid.

The impact of the drug economy and its effect on people. Valid.

But most of those same things I’d compare to how prostitution is “victimless” in the same capacity

 

[Nashvegas31]

Lol not the same at all. Running a sleezy program that pays players and shows them a good time like every other program...

Or being associated at all with a child rape scandal.....

Yup it’s the same

Yep but that is America these days always comparing apple to oranges. When the Freeze stuff happened I always felt he fell on the sword for players and program. Granted he shouldn't have set the things up but I have my doubts he was the one getting down with the hookers. Instead likely setting up parties with hookkers for entertainment like unfortunately a lot of schools do. These kids get laid on all these trips

 

[Ron Swanson]

If we hired Freeze the backlash of negative media wouldn't last long. And it would turn into a comeback story of a family man who just wants to coach young men to be better than himself, Americans love that stuff. Especially when we start winning big games. It'll be a featured story on game day by Tom Rinaldi - "A once troubled coach turned his life around with the support of Fulmer, Pruitt and the Tennessee fanbase. It's paying huge dividends in Freeze's family, community and a proud Tennessee program which is now back at the top of the CFB world. Back to you, Kirk..."

 

[InVOLuntary]

Jarrett Stidham’s didn’t. Paid his own way at McLennan Community College and didn’t lose any eligibility. He was hotly recruited after Baylor tho. Not sure McBride would benefit from sitting without being able to practice and develop.

You could be right. I was always under the impression that you couldn't stop the clock.

 

[pierce60]

Something to remember about Leach and the possibility of GT is GT's relatively recent history of big-time receivers....Could you imagine Calvin Johnson or Demaryius Thomas in an Air Raid system? Good gracious.

I think he would be able to get that type of athlete and more at GT just because of location.

 

[Dudley Smith]

Was Freeze hiring hookers for players? I thought he was just hiring them for himself.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Something to remember about Leach and the possibility of GT is GT's relatively recent history of big-time receivers....Could you imagine Calvin Johnson or Demaryius Thomas in an Air Raid system? Good gracious.

I think he would be able to get that type of athlete and more at GT just because of location.

How do we think his open Trump support would be used against him in inner city Atlanta?

 

[WinginFlorida]

If Meyer decided to step down a notch to lessen the stress in his life but wanted to continue coaching, would you guys hire him as the OC?

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Was Freeze hiring hookers for players? I thought he was just hiring them for himself.

My understanding is it was for players.

It boggles my mind how many people point to Freeze’s “recruiting” as a reason for why we ought to hire him.

 

[InVOLuntary]

If we hired Freeze the backlash of negative media wouldn't last long. And it would turn into a comeback story of a family man who just wants to coach young men to be better than himself, Americans love that stuff. Especially when we start winning big games. It'll be a featured story on game day by Tom Rinaldi - "A once troubled coach turned his life around with the support of Fulmer, Pruitt and the Tennessee fanbase. It's paying huge dividends in Freeze's family, community and a proud Tennessee program which is now back at the top of the CFB world. Back to you, Kirk..."

I have no doubt that's the way the media would spin it if Saban were to hire Freeze.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Is Freeze so much better than Lindsey, Drinkwitz, McClendon, etc. that we’re willing to lower our standards and take a big PR hit in order to hire him? I’m not sure. That’s the discussion happening at UT right now and the discussion we should be having.

He’s a good coach. But is he THAT much better than any alternative?

 

[Nashvegas31]

Good thing Freeze wouldn't even be around by the time ainge son was old enough anyway. Your talking 1-3 yrs tops to hire a guy that helps gets this program back to where you want it to be.

Nobody would say anything about Saban hiring him. Everyone in media was saying LSU should hire him. Of course they will then bash TN if we decided to hire him. I'll take a day of backlash for 1-3 years of whipping some azz

 

[InVOLuntary]

If Meyer decided to step down a notch to lessen the stress in his life but wanted to continue coaching, would you guys hire him as the OC?

No. Don't care for his offense. Relies too much on a super star QB.