Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

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MoCo_Vol said:
I'll fill you all in on why Levis and Richardson are getting love.

Levis = big white kid from "blue collar" America, don't look at his stats look at him in shorts and how he throws against air. Examples of previous QBs that have fit this mold: Josh Allen, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Daniel Jones

Richardson = the perfect specimen/athlete and he's a minority the fans will LOVE it. examples of previous QBs that have fit this mold: Cam Newton, Josh Johnson, Geno Smith, Marcus Mariota, JaMarcus Russell, Dennis Dixon, Justin Fields, Josh Freeman
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But…they were not that impressive in game situations. 3rd round seems logical. #3or 4? How?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Brian Flores is 4th in winning % for the Dolphin among coaches with more than 1 season as HC though... 24 wins is 5th all time in franchise history for HC there and 11 of his 25 losses were in his first season.

To comment that Tomlin needs to get it done when he's 2nd all time in wins and 1st all time in winning % for the Steelers is crazy...
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Adam Gase was the coach before Flores… he was given 3 years as well and won one less game.. Mcdaniels was hired next and is mixed…. Hard to argue that sequence of events is racially motivated.


Tomlin had an amazing run at the start of his career which is why he is still our coach…. He hasn’t won a single playoff game going on 7 years… That is what you are judged on…. It won’t continue much longer, imo.
 
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triadvolfan said:
Gimmick is such a misnomer for what our team does. A gimmick is a trick or device intended to attract attention. It implies it's for show rather than effectiveness.

Whatever else Heupel's offense is, it's highly effective. Not for show at all.

Even if it's true it wouldn't work in the NFL (I'm not entirely convinced) I still wouldn't describe it as a gimmick.
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Excellent point. They try to mock it as being just show for attention while ignoring that it scores points…lots of them…which wins games…which is the point!
 
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volbeast33 said:
Adam Gase was the coach before Flores… he was given 3 years as well and won one less game.. Mcdaniels was hired next and is mixed…. Hard to argue that sequence of events is racially motivated.


Tomlin had an amazing run at the start of his career which is why he is still our coach…. He hasn’t won a single playoff game going on 7 years… That is what you are judged on…. It won’t continue much longer, imo.
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You asked for evidence, I supplied it. Regardless of your opinion on if the termination for Flores is justified or not it's the evidence you asked for is it not?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Brian Flores is 4th in winning % for the Dolphin among coaches with more than 1 season as HC though... 24 wins is 5th all time in franchise history for HC there and 11 of his 25 losses were in his first season.

To comment that Tomlin needs to get it done when he's 2nd all time in wins and 1st all time in winning % for the Steelers is crazy...
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Not that crazy when you’ve won like 2 playoff games in the last 10 years or so and none since 2016… which was 6 seasons ago
 
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And yeah the dolphins aren’t going to have many coaches with wins lol. They had a guy in there for 3 decades or more… same deal with Patriots.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Adam Gase was the coach before Flores… he was given 3 years as well and won one less game.. Mcdaniels was hired next and is mixed…. Hard to argue that sequence of events is racially motivated.


Tomlin had an amazing run at the start of his career which is why he is still our coach…. He hasn’t won a single playoff game going on 7 years… That is what you are judged on…. It won’t continue much longer, imo.
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Agreed. At some point you’ll have to win a playoff game. Something that hasn’t happened in years for Steelers.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Always tell story of being in CT. Going to a Target, on second level of a garage. Clothes lay everywhere, apathetic clerks on cell phones - no restocking - pointing to one wad of bags at checkout (which you have to pay for).

Simply needing heartburn medication, and to purchase oatmeal. Most every item is kept under lock & key. One person, a human gazelle, had the key. Mr Social, was having conversations with anyone who'd listen.

Couldnt do it.

#everyday
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Wife is from CT and lived right near a Target that we went to frequently while visiting. The scenario you laid out is the complete opposite of what I encountered. Maybe it was just a bad target location, or I went to a nice one.. idk.. but it was the same exact Target environment that I have here in Nashville.
 
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dwaugh said:
Tony Cloninger pitched a complete game for the Braves, struck out 5, gave up 3 earned runs and hit 2 grand slams (9 RBI total). I'd say that's pretty close.
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And to think me, my brother and 1st cousin were listening to the game he accomplished those feats on the old am radio the day it happened! Damn I'm getting old!
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Wife is from CT and lived right near a Target that we went to frequently while visiting. The scenario you laid out is the complete opposite of what I encountered. Maybe it was just a bad target location, or I went to a nice one.. idk.. but it was the same exact Target environment that I have here in Nashville.
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Stamford.
 
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bignewt said:
I think they leave it to interpretation. I think the whole confusion of what happened and how everyone is acting on the plane is part of it.
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@bignewt , have you watched Rabbit Hole with Kieffer Sutherland? It’s a psychological action thriller that has been really intriguing. 4 episodes released so far. I have been impressed with it so far.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Brian Flores is 4th in winning % for the Dolphin among coaches with more than 1 season as HC though... 24 wins is 5th all time in franchise history for HC there and 11 of his 25 losses were in his first season.

To comment that Tomlin needs to get it done when he's 2nd all time in wins and 1st all time in winning % for the Steelers is crazy...
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As a Dolphin fan, I was surprised by the firing of Flores at that moment, but honestly, it was the right move. He had no playoff appearances, had a consistent bottom 5 offense in the NFL where he had 3 different OC in 3 years, including one OC he had to bring out of retirement, alienated assistant coaches and players and he almost completely lost the locker room. Players hated playing for the guy by the end of his time there. Does it mean he’s a bad coach all around? No. He is a really, really good defensive mind. Doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve to be fired though. Comparing him to previous Dolphins coaches sans Don Dhula and Jimmy Johnson isn’t exactly an endorsement. We’ve had an embarrassing number of terrible coaches since Jimmy.

Also, do have to note that the Dolphins were taken out of the lawsuit by a Judge and instead sent to arbitration, while other parts of the lawsuit were granted permission to go on by a judge. Doesn’t absolve the Dolphins of any possible wrongdoing in their firing, but does point to the fact that Flores didn’t really have a good legal case for discrimination involved in the firing.

All that to be said, I’m not siding with the NFL here. I think there are legitimate claims in the lawsuit. Just stating the Dolphins had reasonings beyond discrimination to fire the guy, and a judge agreed.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
As a Dolphin fan, I was surprised by the firing of Flores at that moment, but honestly, it was the right move. He had no playoff appearances, had a consistent bottom 5 offense in the NFL where he had 3 different OC in 3 years, including one OC he had to bring out of retirement, alienated assistant coaches and players and he almost completely lost the locker room. Players hated playing for the guy by the end of his time there. Does it mean he’s a bad coach all around? No. He is a really, really good defensive mind. Doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve to be fired though. Comparing him to previous Dolphins coaches sans Don Dhula and Jimmy Johnson isn’t exactly an endorsement. We’ve had an embarrassing number of terrible coaches since Jimmy.

Also, do have to note that the Dolphins were taken out of the lawsuit by a Judge and instead sent to arbitration, while other parts of the lawsuit were granted permission to go on by a judge. Doesn’t absolve the Dolphins of any possible wrongdoing in their firing, but does point to the fact that Flores didn’t really have a good legal case for discrimination involved in the firing.

All that to be said, I’m not siding with the NFL here. I think there are legitimate claims in the lawsuit. Just stating the Dolphins had reasonings beyond discrimination to fire the guy, and a judge agreed.
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The only point, the Flores suit being current news and a major thing was just one example of evidence that was asked for.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
NFL is probably the worst of all the big professional sports leagues for racial discrimination still.
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This is quite the statement with very little proof…. I actually think what the Texans did was much worse… Hired two black coaches knowing that you were tearing it all down and firing them both after one season… they did hire demeco…. Hopefully they give him a legit shot at building that team.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
The only point, the Flores suit being current news and a major thing was just one example of evidence that was asked for.
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I mean, is it evidence though? Like I get it, the NFL is being sued and the NBA/MLB aren’t.. but that doesn’t mean the discrimination claims in the lawsuit are true. That’s for a jury to decide.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
As a Dolphin fan, I was surprised by the firing of Flores at that moment, but honestly, it was the right move. He had no playoff appearances, had a consistent bottom 5 offense in the NFL where he had 3 different OC in 3 years, including one OC he had to bring out of retirement, alienated assistant coaches and players and he almost completely lost the locker room. Players hated playing for the guy by the end of his time there. Does it mean he’s a bad coach all around? No. He is a really, really good defensive mind. Doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve to be fired though. Comparing him to previous Dolphins coaches sans Don Dhula and Jimmy Johnson isn’t exactly an endorsement. We’ve had an embarrassing number of terrible coaches since Jimmy.

Also, do have to note that the Dolphins were taken out of the lawsuit by a Judge and instead sent to arbitration, while other parts of the lawsuit were granted permission to go on by a judge. Doesn’t absolve the Dolphins of any possible wrongdoing in their firing, but does point to the fact that Flores didn’t really have a good legal case for discrimination involved in the firing.

All that to be said, I’m not siding with the NFL here. I think there are legitimate claims in the lawsuit. Just stating the Dolphins had reasonings beyond discrimination to fire the guy, and a judge agreed.
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I was hoping Flores would stay a little longer in Pittsburgh…. He is a really good defensive coach.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I was hoping Flores would stay a little longer in Pittsburgh…. He is a really good defensive coach.
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He is. I think the Vikings are going to be really solid next year because that offense paired with a Flores defense is a recipe for success. I mean even last year they were really good with an average defense.. just wait until Flores has that defense coached up.
 
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The gimmick comments are such a cop out.

The system is designed to simply and exploit. Yes it only reads one side of the field on most plays. But that one side of the field is set up to be a complex scheme that creates a mismatch.

The players need to understand it. Leverage and matchups are key. The players need to see it. And they need to execute it.

It’s simple yet complex. And I love it.
 
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