Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[TrippieRedd]

Barnes has elevated the program without transfers. He has done his best when developing talent. Most transfers want to come in and play and have freedom. Our transfers are just filling holes.

Can we do better? Sure. But we aren’t Arkansas, who just reloads with transfers every year. We probably do have the most to offer this year because of ZZ’s injury and a need for a 4.

That’s fine to keep your players, and not use the portal, but you have to have players ready for the SEC.

Edwards, Jefferson, the freshmen, Dilione, etc have no experience. If we don’t hit the portal and get a couple of guys, then it’s not going to be good.

- Unknown ZZ
- Unknown Dilione at PG

For example, Michigan St. didn’t use the portal at all, but they have 4 dudes that were all conference returning and the rest of their players are high 4* and 5* guys. We don’t have that

 

[SSVol]

I don’t think this is the forum for this discussion so I will say one last thing about it and be done, but I fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying. I think it is an a pseudoscientific and borderline eugenics based argument.

You’re trying to compare basic physical characteristics to the ability to manage people in today’s society. Athletic ability and management are not the same.

You’re using over generalizations about different races, ethnicities, and nationalities to support your argument. I suspect digging into every one of those things breaks down on closer examination.

I don’t mean this to be a personal attack. I truly do understand your point that this is why things should be merit based and colorblind. However, I think your argument and of itself allows people to ignore cultural differences and the historical reasons for those, instead relying on oversimplified understandings of inherent racial differences. It is the exact environment that allows passive systemic racism to flourish.

I think your cause and effect are backward.

Racism exists because humans are flawed, not because there are differences. Differences are simply what we use to delineate. In the absence of racial delineation, we use class or religion or whatever. People will find a reason to hate.

 

[VolGee4]

That’s fine to keep your players, and not use the portal, but you have to players ready for the SEC.

Edwards, Jefferson, the freshmen, Dilione, etc have no experience. If we don’t hit the portal and get a couple of guys, then it’s not going to be good.

- Unknown ZZ
- Unknown Dilione
- Aidoo is fine but he will have to take a step
- Awaka has a bright future, but again, still needs to take a step

For example, Michigan St. didn’t use the portal at all, but they have 4 dudes that were all conference returning and the rest of their players are high 4* and 5* guys. We don’t have that

It happens from time to time when you choose to develop. But Jefferson redshirted and Dilione came in early, and that is very different than playing as a true freshman. High level talent adjusts more quickly, and they know what to expect. We need Dilione and Awaka to play often because that makes them very good the following year.

Barnes has had guys with very little experience step up- it’s what happens in a good program. I’m not even sure how many spots we are really going to have. The longer this goes, the more I think SV is coming back. More often than not, Barnes puts a quality team on the floor, so I’m not sure why people are freaking out.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

That’s fine to keep your players, and not use the portal, but you have to have players ready for the SEC.

Edwards, Jefferson, the freshmen, Dilione, etc have no experience. If we don’t hit the portal and get a couple of guys, then it’s not going to be good.

- Unknown ZZ
- Unknown Dilione at PG

For example, Michigan St. didn’t use the portal at all, but they have 4 dudes that were all conference returning and the rest of their players are high 4* and 5* guys. We don’t have that

Duke started 4 true freshmen for the majority of their games.

Of their 6 players that averaged 20+ minutes per game, 4 were true freshmen. Isn't the point of recruiting top 100 players and potential 1 & done prospects to play them immediately?

 

[DeepPurpleFloyd]

Please explain what logic he is using.

"Levis played in a non-gimmick, non-quarterback friendly offense. He has a vast amount of experience with throwing interceptions and crying at the end of a game as his team is getting its ass kicked due to him throwing lots of interceptions. Therefore, he is more prepared mentally to handle throwing lots of interceptions in the NFL and will not melt down like other quarterbacks that are used to being successful. However, we do expect him to continue crying at the end of games".
- Mel Kiper, probably

 

[bignewt]

As much as I hate to say it. He’s a very good player and seems like a quality individual. Not the usual bama player profile. I hope he does well in the NFL, just worried that he’s going to get killed by defenders. Unless they give him the brady protection.

Young's comp is Drew Brees. He found throwing lanes and delivered a very catchable ball. I could see Young being just as successful. No reason why he can't bulk up some to absorb the hits he does wind up taking.

 

[volbeast33]

Duke started 4 true freshmen for the majority of their games.

Of their 6 players that averaged 20+ minutes per game, 4 were true freshmen. Isn't the point of recruiting top 100 players and potential 1 & done prospects to play them immediately?

Do we have any one and done prospects?

 

[bignewt]

Do we have any one and done prospects?

We've had a couple of one and shouldnt be dones last couple of years.

 

[SweetasSoda]

"Levis played in a non-gimmick, non-quarterback friendly offense. He has a vast amount of experience with throwing interceptions and crying at the end of a game as his team is getting its ass kicked due to him throwing lots of interceptions. Therefore, he is more prepared mentally to handle throwing lots of interceptions in the NFL and will not melt down like other quarterbacks that are used to being successful. However, we do expect him to continue crying at the end of games".
- Mel Kiper, probably

That must be it.

 

[bignewt]

Id love to have a job like Kiper. He gets to spout stupid opinions of players for a few weeks, make a "mock" draft that is based on how much hobo blood he drank the night before and there is zero accountability after the fact.

 

[Vol423]

Please explain what logic he is using.

Apparently Levis was Mel Kiper's favorite in the swimsuit competition because there is no logic in ranking him that highly based on actual ability to play football.

 

[volbeast33]

Young's comp is Drew Brees. He found throwing lanes and delivered a very catchable ball. I could see Young being just as successful. No reason why he can't bulk up some to absorb the hits he does wind up taking.

He is close to two inches shorter than Brees….. Never been a good qb in the nfl at his height since the 70’s…. It will definitely be a challenge….. Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are the two closest in terms of his stature.

 

[volbeast33]

It happens from time to time when you choose to develop. But Jefferson redshirted and Dilione came in early, and that is very different than playing as a true freshman. High level talent adjusts more quickly, and they know what to expect. We need Dilione and Awaka to play often because that makes them very good the following year.

Barnes has had guys with very little experience step up- it’s what happens in a good program. I’m not even sure how many spots we are really going to have. The longer this goes, the more I think SV is coming back. More often than not, Barnes puts a quality team on the floor, so I’m not sure why people are freaking out.

I don’t think his way is optimal for tournament runs…. I wish he could grow and make some small adjustments… I have read that Dillon could be a very good offensive answer this year.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Do we have any one and done prospects?

Of the incoming 3 freshmen I think JP is the only potential one and done. Freddie wouldn't technically count since he's been on campus since January, but had he not reclassified he would have been a top 25-30 player in this class. Julian Phillips was also supposed to be, and honestly had he not had so many nagging injuries I think he had the potential (and could still declare). So my point really is that next year's team will have the most top 100 players in the Barnes era if everyone returns.

Aidoo, Mashack, BJ, Julian, Freddie, JP, Carr that would be 7 total and the most we had prior was 5.

The last 2 seasons we've had 5, won the SECT and made the Sweet Sixteen and both seasons ended with 25 or more wins.

It's just a weird thing...people want top level recruiting and for Barnes to land the big fish, but also seem to be stuck on the idea of us needing experience on the team to be contenders every year.

But Trippie has been in full freak out mode over basketball portal recruiting since the season ended basically.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

He is close to two inches shorter than Brees….. Never been a good qb in the nfl at his height since the 70’s…. It will definitely be a challenge….. Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are the two closest in terms of his stature.

Actually, Drew Brees was exactly 2 1/8" taller, he measured 6'0 1/4" and Bryce 5'10 1/8" Russel Wilson was 5'10 5/8" at the combine.

I honestly think what's going to hurt Young's career is that he's about to get drafted by a bad team. Wilson went 75th to a Seahawks team that had just finished 7-9. Brees went 32nd to a bad Chargers team, but had a full season behind Flutie and that team also had drafted LT so once he took over they were a good young team and had great results.

Young landing with a first time HC with the Texans who haven't won 5 games once in the last 3 seasons = David Carr 2.0
Carolina would be a better spot to land, but even then they've been bad as well 5 straight seasons finishing under 500. Frank Reich though seems to be a good QB HC, he managed to keep the Colts competitive and only had Luck for the first season.

 

[drvenner]

Please explain what logic he is using.

You used logic and Mel Kiper together?

 

[JCVol00]

New profile pic

 

[drvenner]

Anybody ever joined the carnival or carny lifestyle?

My son actually did it for about 6 months about 8 years ago. Overall, not a very good experience for him.

 

[drvenner]

My kids didn’t watch either of those…
Phineas and Ferb was quite good. Star Wars Clone Wars. Sponge Bob.
TV took a distant second to Legos for my son and music/dance for my daughter.

I would still watch Phineas and Ferb.

 

[drvenner]

Starting pitching has massively under performed. They should be embarrassed

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That WHIP is absolutely putrid.

 

[tnhunter 10]

Id love to have a job like Kiper. He gets to spout stupid opinions of players for a few weeks, make a "mock" draft that is based on how much hobo blood he drank the night before and there is zero accountability after the fact.

Remember when Kiper said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen wasn't a successful QB?

 

[SoilVol]

It happens from time to time when you choose to develop. But Jefferson redshirted and Dilione came in early, and that is very different than playing as a true freshman. High level talent adjusts more quickly, and they know what to expect. We need Dilione and Awaka to play often because that makes them very good the following year.

Barnes has had guys with very little experience step up- it’s what happens in a good program. I’m not even sure how many spots we are really going to have. The longer this goes, the more I think SV is coming back. More often than not, Barnes puts a quality team on the floor, so I’m not sure why people are freaking out.

Word on the street is SV is returning and we have a transfer guard locked down.

 

[volbeast33]

Of the incoming 3 freshmen I think JP is the only potential one and done. Freddie wouldn't technically count since he's been on campus since January, but had he not reclassified he would have been a top 25-30 player in this class. Julian Phillips was also supposed to be, and honestly had he not had so many nagging injuries I think he had the potential (and could still declare). So my point really is that next year's team will have the most top 100 players in the Barnes era if everyone returns.

Aidoo, Mashack, BJ, Julian, Freddie, JP, Carr that would be 7 total and the most we had prior was 5.

The last 2 seasons we've had 5, won the SECT and made the Sweet Sixteen and both seasons ended with 25 or more wins.

It's just a weird thing...people want top level recruiting and for Barnes to land the big fish, but also seem to be stuck on the idea of us needing experience on the team to be contenders every year.

But Trippie has been in full freak out mode over basketball portal recruiting since the season ended basically.

I’m not that worried about experience…. I just hope some of these guys are offensively skilled players… I think they may be but will wait to see how they look in a game…. Most of our top 100 guys have been like Mashack…. Athletically gifted but very limited offensively.

 

[volbeast33]

Word on the street is SV is returning and we have a transfer guard locked down.

Is that the upstate kid or another one?

 

[SmokinBob]

I'll add the Dobb-nail boot at Georgia!

I your avi!!