Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[Jackcrevol]

Nate could have definitely done more damage if he wanted to…putting him to sleep knowing he was drunk was a favor

Sometimes people dont wake up. He who looked cool, would be in jail.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

35-9 1st qtr? Jeez. . . why are they the grizzlies anyway? No self-respecting grizzly has ever set foot in Memphis. . .

Also. . . I'd bet the g rizzlies comeback. Maybe not all the way, but NBA is weird. 35-9 1st qtr, then they'll outscore the Lakers by 10-20 in the 2nd. . . almost like it's scripted. . . seems to happen in the NBA all the time. Strange how a team can be flat 1qtr, then light it up the next.

Edit: outscored the Lakers by 10pts in the 2nd qtr. . .

 

[volz2wallz]

 

[SweetasSoda]

This was fun!

 

[volz2wallz]

Hey vandy ...and the rest of sec got 2 words for ya...

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Sorry to hear you went through that. But Mississippi State had a softball player pass away with it in 2018. So the conference and teams wear the color for awareness and for her.

I really hate that young woman lost her life and especially hate it for her family. I didn’t mean to come off insensitive. I just meant when you’re in the fight of your life you’re not looking for a color combo to commensurate it, but if it honors someone, I’ll stand down.

 

[VOLSONLY]

If you and the kids need anything, please don’t hesitate to ask. This isn’t an empty promise. I’ll give you my personal number and email. I’ve been through it. Just ask kiddo.

Thank you Sis that means a lot

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Thank you Sis that means a lot

Just let me know. Prayers from us will always be there for you, though we would like a update when you can.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Running clock –

The idea behind the running clock after 1st downs (except for the last 2 minutes of each half) is said to be in order to reduce “exposures” for players. The thinking being with an expanded college playoff the championship game would feature two teams playing their 17th game of the year. Theoretically, the games should be shortened by as much as 20 minutes on average and by somewhere between 7-10 plays total. For example, last year we averaged 72.69 offensive plays per game, 76.23 defensive plays per game, and 31.54 special teams plays per game. So our games averaged 180 plays per game. The impact of the running clock after first downs and thus the reduction in the length of the game is thought to reduce the number of plays in our games to around 170-173. Over the course of a 17 game season that would be essentially compensating for one of the extra games, thus reducing player “exposures” from what the number might otherwise be.

Since we're talking number of plays I looked at Points Per Play (PPP) for SEC offenses and defenses in 2022. This is how the conference ranked with respect to each other.



While not the topic of this post most people will reasonably note that points per drive is a more preferred method of measuring unit efficiencies but it's not that far off. Once we have the talent to man up on passing downs I would think our defense would continue to improve. Right now we're just giving up too many 1st downs via the pass. It's bend don't break and probably what the coaches think give us the best chance to win with the talent in the back end we've had/have now. jmo.



I think without much question the 3 teams at the top of the conference right now are Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama.. LSU will get a lot of love but I think they may be farther behind the leaders than the media perception would suggest. I mean, really, Texas A&M didn't win a lot of games last year, even lost to Appalachian State at home, but one game they did win was against media darling LSU. The Aggies putrid offense had its best showing of the year against the Tiger defense. We have our own work to do but I like where we're sitting as we continue preparations for a new season. jmo.

 

[tnvols72]

 

[TheRain]

 

[TheRain]

 

[TheRain]

 

[VolArtillery]

It's still creepy.

 

[TheRain]

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Do you guys remember that receiver that Pruitt discovered - gave him his first offer IIRC, he committed to us then spurned us on NSD to go to FSU - Jordan Young? He never made an impact at FSU and last year transferred to Florida Atlantic. This year, he's back in the portal again.

Meanwhile, the receiver we settled on to fill the void, Cedric Tillman, is going to be an early round draft pick in four days.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

If you look back at our '19 signing class

13 players transferred within 2 years
(Mauer, Gray, To'oto'o, Morris, Means, Fields, Savion Williams, Middleton, Akporeghne, Sean Brown, Jackson Lowe, Crouch, & Solomon)

1 player medically retired: Melvin McBride

3 players became very good to elite contributors: Darnell Wright, Ramel Keyton, Aaron Beasley

2 players became mostly solid multi year starters McCoullough, Burrell

1 player became a serviceable rotation piece thus far: Roman Harrison

Notable PWOs - Dayne Davis, Parker Ball, and Pak Garland

 

[volinexile17]

35-9 1st qtr? Jeez. . . why are they the grizzlies anyway? No self-respecting grizzly has ever set foot in Memphis. . .

Also. . . I'd bet the g rizzlies comeback. Maybe not all the way, but NBA is weird. 35-9 1st qtr, then they'll outscore the Lakers by 10-20 in the 2nd. . . almost like it's scripted. . . seems to happen in the NBA all the time. Strange how a team can be flat 1qtr, then light it up the next.

Edit: outscored the Lakers by 10pts in the 2nd qtr. . .

Kept the franchise name when it moved from Vancouver. I always thought it was weird they didn’t change it. Kinda like the Jazz.

 

[MarcoVol]

35-9 1st qtr? Jeez. . . why are they the grizzlies anyway? No self-respecting grizzly has ever set foot in Memphis. . .

Also. . . I'd bet the g rizzlies comeback. Maybe not all the way, but NBA is weird. 35-9 1st qtr, then they'll outscore the Lakers by 10-20 in the 2nd. . . almost like it's scripted. . . seems to happen in the NBA all the time. Strange how a team can be flat 1qtr, then light it up the next.

Edit: outscored the Lakers by 10pts in the 2nd qtr. . .

Game can swing quickly when you have a 24 second shot clock and some of the best athletes in the world competing

 

[SmokinBob]

When was this color added???

 

[ChattaTNVol]

More LSU hate – well, just because –

I don’t really have that much of an issue with LSU but I do think Brian Kelly is getting a bit of love that might ought to be going to Heupel. jmo.

Most SEC head coach rankings that I’ve seen have Kelly #3 behind Smart and Saban. Josh often comes in at #4. I sort of take issue with that because I think Josh has the edge. jmo.

My theory is that Kelly is just a bit overrated. This year he is expected to have the best offense of his 14 year power 5 head coaching career and the best defense he’s had since 2012. I don’t believe either one of those things. On the other hand Heupel is almost universally known for fielding high octane offenses so that’s not really surprising when he has a high octane offense. In 2018 and 2019 Heupel’s defenses gave up 23 points or less per game. It was only 2020 with the Covid opt outs that his defense struggled. We had some growing pains in 2021 but vastly improved on defense in 2022 as shown in previous posts.

Brian Kelly has a resume. He has never put a high octane offense on the field, high octane meaning greater than 40 points per game on the season. Old dogs, new tricks, not likely. jmo.

ESPN FPI has LSU as the 4th highest rated team in the nation coming into 2023. They have us at #12. Now Connelly has us at #6 and LSU at #7 in his SP+ model. Connelly uses 2-4 years of recent history, meaning he isn’t locked in to a set amount of look-back years. ESPN is locked into a 4 year look-back period. Connelly no longer has a Pruitt team influence on our rating but last year FPI had the entire Pruitt tenure factored into our rating. This year FPI has us with 2 years of Heupel and 2 years of Pruitt. The Heupel years are over-weighted but the Pruitt years still have a significant drag on our rating in FPI. As the season progresses recent history has ever diminishing influence and so last year we finished at #5 in FPI same as in SP+. With a new year the preseason starts over and Pruitt’s teams are added back into the FPI algorithm. It’ll be 2025 before FPI forgets Pruitt was ever at Tennessee. Still, last year the earliest version of FPI had us at #26 and this year’s earliest version has us at #12. FPI is slowing wising up. jmo.

Along the same lines FPI still includes the 2019 national championship team in their rating for LSU. I wouldn’t recommend holding one’s breath waiting for Brian Kelly to field a team like the 2019 Tigers. jmo.



Kelly's resume - the green highlights are 2012 BCS championship game (lost), and 2019 & 2021 College Football Playoff (lost both times).



I reiterate my thesis that Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama are the top 3 teams in the conference and there's a significant drop-off to everyone else. jmo.

 

[volbeast33]

Game can swing quickly when you have a 24 second shot clock and some of the best athletes in the world competing

It happens in college basketball as well… I always hated when I gambled and the team I bet on got a huge lead at the start of the game…. They would always ease up and let the other team come back.

 

[volbeast33]

This is different bc it was in memory of a particular player but I agree with Bill Burr on the subject.

 

[vols 30]

More LSU hate – well, just because –

I don’t really have that much of an issue with LSU but I do think Brian Kelly is getting a bit of love that might ought to be going to Heupel. jmo.

Most SEC head coach rankings that I’ve seen have Kelly #3 behind Smart and Saban. Josh often comes in at #4. I sort of take issue with that because I think Josh has the edge. jmo.

My theory is that Kelly is just a bit overrated. This year he is expected to have the best offense of his 14 year power 5 head coaching career and the best defense he’s had since 2012. I don’t believe either one of those things. On the other hand Heupel is almost universally known for fielding high octane offenses so that’s not really surprising when he has a high octane offense. In 2018 and 2019 Heupel’s defenses gave up 23 points or less per game. It was only 2020 with the Covid opt outs that his defense struggled. We had some growing pains in 2021 but vastly improved on defense in 2022 as shown in previous posts.

Brian Kelly has a resume. He has never put a high octane offense on the field, high octane meaning greater than 40 points per game on the season. Old dogs, new tricks, not likely. jmo.

ESPN FPI has LSU as the 4th highest rated team in the nation coming into 2023. They have us at #12. Now Connelly has us at #6 and LSU at #7 in his SP+ model. Connelly uses 2-4 years of recent history, meaning he isn’t locked in to a set amount of look-back years. ESPN is locked into a 4 year look-back period. Connelly no longer has a Pruitt team influence on our rating but last year FPI had the entire Pruitt tenure factored into our rating. This year FPI has us with 2 years of Heupel and 2 years of Pruitt. The Heupel years are over-weighted but the Pruitt years still have a significant drag on our rating in FPI. As the season progresses recent history has ever diminishing influence and so last year we finished at #5 in FPI same as in SP+. With a new year the preseason starts over and Pruitt’s teams are added back into the FPI algorithm. It’ll be 2025 before FPI forgets Pruitt was ever at Tennessee. Still, last year the earliest version of FPI had us at #26 and this year’s earliest version has us at #12. FPI is slowing wising up. jmo.

Along the same lines FPI still includes the 2019 national championship team in their rating for LSU. I wouldn’t recommend holding one’s breath waiting for Brian Kelly to field a team like the 2019 Tigers. jmo.

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Kelly's resume - the green highlights are 2012 BCS championship game (lost), and 2019 & 2021 College Football Playoff (lost both times).

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I reiterate my thesis that Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama are the top 3 teams in the conference and there's a significant drop-off to everyone else. jmo.

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You always expect the worst from Vandy, but to be last in offense and defense is pretty sad.

 

[ConwayFitty]

35-9 1st qtr? Jeez. . . why are they the grizzlies anyway? No self-respecting grizzly has ever set foot in Memphis. . .

Also. . . I'd bet the g rizzlies comeback. Maybe not all the way, but NBA is weird. 35-9 1st qtr, then they'll outscore the Lakers by 10-20 in the 2nd. . . almost like it's scripted. . . seems to happen in the NBA all the time. Strange how a team can be flat 1qtr, then light it up the next.

Edit: outscored the Lakers by 10pts in the 2nd qtr. . .

I saw a lot of people dipping grizzly when I was in Memphis