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Orange. said:
I figure Bud did it deliberately to spite them, now that you put it that way. But I don't claim to know.
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Yeah, and if Bud (and owners) didn't basically expect and force the city/state to pay so much of the cost to build their facilities then I wouldn't care personally.

Oilers to Titans is one of the only examples I can think of where an owner moved and didn't continue the name BUT prevented the old city from having rights to it. Most the time they move and keep it. Raiders, Rams, Chargers, Colts etc. and even in other leagues like the NBA the teams either fully rebrand (Seattle to OKC) or they just keep the original mascot Vancouver to Memphis.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah, and if Bud (and owners) didn't basically expect and force the city/state to pay so much of the cost to build their facilities then I wouldn't care personally.

Oilers to Titans is one of the only examples I can think of where an owner moved and didn't continue the name BUT prevented the old city from having rights to it. Most the time they move and keep it. Raiders, Rams, Chargers, Colts etc. and even in other leagues like the NBA the teams either fully rebrand (Seattle to OKC) or they just keep the original mascot Vancouver to Memphis.
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I don't care, but I don't think I would like it if I were a Houston fan. 😂 I guess it will come to a head if the Titans wear Oilers jerseys at Houston.
 
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Orange. said:
I don't care, but I don't think I would like it if I were a Houston fan. 😂 I guess it will come to a head if the Titans wear oilers jerseys at Houston.
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I've yet to meet a Houston fan that wasn't still salty about it. I think they all like the "Texans" name more, but also HATED seeing two seasons of the "Tennessee Oilers" lol

I just feel like as a Titans fan the franchise didn't become ours until they became the Titans. Like Warren Moon being listed as the last 4k passer for the Titans and them referencing old Oilers that never played a single game in TN throughout the Titans' record book annoys me.
 
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Orange. said:
I don't care, but I don't think I would like it if I were a Houston fan. 😂 I guess it will come to a head if the Titans wear Oilers jerseys at Houston.
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When the NFL slips up and gets something right…like they did with the Cleveland Browns, it only makes eff ups like this more glaring.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Houston Oilers from 1960-1996
Tennessee Oilers from 1997-1998

Houston is the oil capitol of the world so "Oilers" as a mascot made sense. But to me if you're the owners and you decide to move AND rebrand the team then why wouldn't the original team mascot/logo stay with the founding city.

Ravens didn't keep the Browns from Cleveland they relocated with their new branding and that's when the franchise essentially began. Titans did the same thing, except rather than be ready to rebrand before starting the first season in the new city they were too cheap/lazy and waited a couple seasons to see if Nashville would be profitable for them.
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Baltimore couldn't have used 'Browns' trademark or branding originally they'd wanted to. As I recall Cleveland filed suit to keep those exclusive to Cleveland and it prohibited Baltimore from using them.

Which lead to the new Cleveland expansion team being able to basically reinstate the Browns into the NFL.
 
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Orange. said:
Wtf is this pin? I think Adams is the idiot. Did she order this guy to wear it or is the vibe in the office that it's the way to keep your job?
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Pretty sure the Titans announced they were going to wear the Oilers throwbacks for a game this year right. Seeing her wear the Oiler hat and pins like this are probably a PR push. It’s dumb, IMO, but 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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volbeast33 said:
Nick took over 3-8 LSU and won the SEC championship two years later.
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Are you really gonna argue that the LSU program was nuked as bad as ours had been for 12+ years? LSU was not the butt of decade long nationwide ridicule when he took over and it is way easier to get your talent situation fixed at LSU than here.

He would have NEVER taken a job like the one Heupel took on.
 
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volsagain said:
There's a chance for a little step back on offense but the defense should be quiet a bit better. Joe just needs to come closer to making the right decisions. Not to many missiles bouncing off the receivers or bad time interceptions.
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Worried more about Joe staying upright and having time to throw, and being able to run the ball on SEC teams than I am anything.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Are you really gonna argue that the LSU program was nuked as bad as ours had been for 12+ years? LSU was not the butt of decade long nationwide ridicule when he took over and it is way easier to get your talent situation fixed at LSU than here.

He would have NEVER taken a job like the one Heupel took on.
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He's moved the goalposts, but still determined to stan for lil Nickie on our board. I guess he went to bat for Kirby too.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah, I'm not real sure why Adams & company are still keeping the old Oilers logo going...

You moved and you changed the name 20+ years ago. I honestly feel like the Houston Texans have more right to continue using the Oilers name/logo. It really belonged to the city and unlike the Rams or the Raiders they (Adams family) chose to rebrand the team.
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Agreed, the moment you changed the name you lost the connection. And you kind of had to change the name too.. Oilers in TN? Just doesn’t mix. Made perfect sense in Texas, but not TN. Wearing Oiler throwbacks or pushing an Oilers campaign is just dumb by the Titans.
 
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jakez4ut said:
depends on how one may define "big step back". i think 9-3 is probably fair, and while i wouldn't like 8-4, i don't think i'd get too worked up about it. and if Joe Milton is who we hope he is...10+ is back on the table.

i think we definitely over achieved last year, which is fantastic. so i don't know how fair it is to "expect" 10+ wins again next year. add to the mix the roster losses, and i think while it's fair to say we should be plenty good enough to beat 80+% of our schedule, there's still the unknowns out there that makes you look at a few games a little sideways.

Bama, Georgia will by far be the two biggest games and the two most likely to lose.

i don't think Kentucky will be particularly good next season, but i hate where that game falls, schedule wise...we're coming off a road trip to bama, they have a bye, and it's in Lexington.

@ FL, aTm, and USCe are HUGE games for us next year. i think we're capable of beating all 3, but i think to stay in the conversation for 9-10 wins, you have to win at least 2 of those games. and obviously win the rest of the games you're favored in, which should be 9 or 10 of the games on our schedule.
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To clarify for those that don't know how I feel about the coming season...6-6

7-5 is understandable imo given a certain set of dominoes falling.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Are you really gonna argue that the LSU program was nuked as bad as ours had been for 12+ years? LSU was not the butt of decade long nationwide ridicule when he took over and it is way easier to get your talent situation fixed at LSU than here.

He would have NEVER taken a job like the one Heupel took on.
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I don't know how bad the roster was or wasn't compared to ours when Saban took over. They'd had a similar run of being terrible though. They only finished the season ranked twice in the 90s.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Are you really gonna argue that the LSU program was nuked as bad as ours had been for 12+ years? LSU was not the butt of decade long nationwide ridicule when he took over and it is way easier to get your talent situation fixed at LSU than here.

He would have NEVER taken a job like the one Heupel took on.
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Tennessee's problems were a lot deeper than just the product on the field too, there were DEEP seated administrative issues from the people running the show to the boosters. Luckily, that finally getting fixed seems to have coincided with hiring a good, young coach that was up to the task of fixing a dumpster fire. You are 100% correct imo, Tennessee was maybe THE toughest job in the country when you consider the issues beyond just what was on the field (and there were MANY on-field issues) vs the size and expectation levels of the fanbase.
 
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Orange. said:
He's moved the goalposts, but still determined to stan for lil Nickie on our board. I guess he went to bat for Kirby too.
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Nick Saban did a great job at LSU, I'm not going to argue against that, but it was nowhere near the radioactive mess that Tennessee was when Josh took over
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Nick Saban did a great job at LSU, I'm not going to argue against that, but it was nowhere near the radioactive mess that Tennessee was when Josh took over
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It's cringy weird that people want to rush in to criticize a Vols fan for pointing that out. Makes zero sense. The Bama and GA praises were even weirder.
 
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