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There is a lot of evidence that FDR and the U.S. military leaders antagonized Japan and goaded them into attacking prior tk Pearl Harbor. Not saying that we wanted Pearl Harbor to happen but that we were hoping for some sort of Japanese action that would result in U.S. citizens supporting entering the war.

Definitely would not be the first or last time that politicians and military brass have looked for ways to drum up support for a military campaign.
FDR wanted a reason to join the war, not lose it.
Anyone who would imply the Executive Branch knew ahead of time about the attack on Pearl Harbor, and then allowed it to happen, does not understand military planning.

IF the US Navy, or Naval Intelligence, knew the Japanese fleet was near Hawaii, the US fleet would have deployed to strike first, or be in open seas where they could maneuver. The carriers were away on exercises, but the battleships were still considered the gold standard for naval power. They would not have been bottled up at the base.
Why would a president want to join a war while losing his fleet needed to fight the war? The incredible US building program for ships was not a foregone conclusion, yet.

Air power was not fully appreciated as a trump for big guns until December 10, when Japanese land bombers and naval torpedo planes sunk the battle cruiser HMS Repulse and battleship HMS Prince of Wales, two British ships sent to defend Singapore. A BB and BC with four destroyers were considered to be adequate to defend against the Japanese fleet looking to land a Marine force to attack behind the British defenses of Singapore. The Singapore defenses only faced north on the Maylayan Penninsula because the British Navy felt it could defend the Straits of Malacca under all circumstances.

The Japanese air forces located, then attacked the ships and sunk them both in short order. The British were shocked the Japanese could overcome their firepower. The US Navy understood immediately that big guns without air cover were doomed. Pearl Harbor and this Naval Battle of Maylaya were the canary in the coal mine informing the world's navies that all their war planning was worthless, and carriers would win or lose the war in the Pacific.

The British army at Singapore, 80,000 British, Indian, Australian and local troops, was now doomed and surrendered in February, 1942.
 
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For me, it’s enough marijuana to last a year 😂 Endless munchies.

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There is a lot of evidence that FDR and the U.S. military leaders antagonized Japan and goaded them into attacking prior tk Pearl Harbor. Not saying that we wanted Pearl Harbor to happen but that we were hoping for some sort of Japanese action that would result in U.S. citizens supporting entering the war.

Definitely would not be the first or last time that politicians and military brass have looked for ways to drum up support for a military campaign.
I believe it was more than just a crapp Jerry Bruckheimer theory that we had intel on PH, and didnt take it seriously. Basically the equivalent of gettinng caught with your pants down.

I do not however, think FDR would have purposefully theown fhe game. That sounds like some typical dark web, conspiracy shennaginanry.
 
I understand why you feel Japan is a racist society. That is the classic image.
I was stationed at Yokota Air Base for 7 years, 1999-2007. I did two tours in Iraq during that stretch, but my wife lived there during my deployments.
How long have you guys spent living in their culture?

I have to disagree strongly with your statement. That is simply not true. Japan is not a racist society. That aspect of Japanese militarism and propaganda has been seen as dishonorable for almost 80 years.

They are a homogeneous society, no doubt about it. It is not racism, but simply self-sufficiency as much as possible. Protectionism is the norm throughout the world, even becoming popular in the US in the last 7 years. Native goods and services are preferred due to the need to remain less vulnerable to more powerful nations in the region, mainly China. They are not committed to free trade like the USA has been since the 80s, and honestly, they did not understand why the US never limited Japanese trade. They simply sold us everything we wanted to buy.

McArthur's five year administration of the islands crushed the old ways straight out of them. One obvious reason was the militaristic class was completely decimated by the war. They were forced to repudiate their militaristic past, and turn their swords into plowshares.

The image of Japanese businessmen and executives disrespecting American workers and culture is a media creation, based on the fear their factories and business/worklife culture would overtake us and take over our economy.

Those overseas acquisitions by corporations like Sony overstressed the Japanese banking system and too many bad loans (they thought their postwar economic miracle would keep going forever into the future - the 2008 Financial Crash happened two decades early in Japan), plus their demographic time bomb that hit there first (our own demographic timebomb is beginning to go off) sunk their economy for the last 30+ years. They are very prosperous, but not with the perceived dominant image, or exponential growth, they carried in the 80s.

I remember in the 80s, lots of Americans were furious because the Japanese government did not apologize for the atrocities during the war. The Japanese people feel a tremendous burden of shame and dishonor about what their armies and Navy did in World War II. They avoid the topic because it would be dishonorable to even acknowledge the topic n their culture. No honorable person could discuss their shame without losing their entire reputation. A person's honor is worthmore than life in Japanese culture. in Japanese culture, their actions of disavowing the culture that caused those atrocities is the apology.
The Chinese still create Japanese boogeymen as a jingoistic tool to create loyalty to and fervor for the Communist system, which takes credit for the defeat of the Japanese. That sense was still very alive in the 80s here in the good ole USA, partly because so many people who fought against and were indoctrinated against the Japanese during the war were still alive, and just retired. I was a teen during that period and remember movies and news shows told us the Japanese were going to be the biggest economy in the world and put us out of business.
A lot of America's image of Japanese racism and hostilitiy was overblown to say the least. It was based on their outcompeting American auto companies. The millions of Toyota and Nissan cars and trucks are no longer delivered by those immense superships that delivered 5000+ cars each day to both coasts (they scared American workers and voters to death for good reason: they were more comptetitive than what US factories were building at that moment). They are now built in TN, SC, and IN by American workers. The Japanese automakers put the Japanese factory workers aside in favor of American labor.

They do have a right-wing xenophobic party, but they are a very small fringe party,and have no authority or place in any government. They do speak about a return to Japan's glorious military history. They scream at microphones while swinging katanas. They are viewed with suspicion and disdain by almost everyone in Japan.

I would live there today ,if I could. My wife and I spent months living on the economy whenever I had leave. We have spent about six months there during five vacations in the 16 years since we returned stateside.

My wife learned Japanese within a little more than a month, and she helped me become fluent. She loved driving in Tokyo. I never liked driving in Tokyo.

The Japanese people love Americans above all peoples (this might have changed a bit, given the image of American xenophobia in recent years). Japanese people cherish the friendship of Americans. It is about respect for American culture, and the people too.
I met scores of government officials. They are extreme Americanophiles. Businessmen are also completely enamored with American people. One Japanese millionaire in the Tokyo Roppongi DIstrict (the main party district in Tokyo) offered me $10,000 for a night with my wife on his arm. Having a blond with big boobs was a HUGE sign of prestige for him. He was going to take me along too. It wasn't an Indecent Proposal. He simply wanted her for arm candy, and for all the business executives to see him dance with her and have her at his table. I said no, and my wife said, "$25,000". We ended up partying with this guy taking us to the poshest clubs in Japan until about 9am Sunday morning. My wife played celebrity for the night, and I was entertained by the man's daughter who had a thing for Americans.

My wife and I frequented a Mom and Pop, hole in the wall, Ramen place. Ramen, over there, is a complete meal, and the food is the best I have eaten still to this day. They welcomed us by name and gave us preferred seating and food every time. We have visited them five times since we returned to the USA in 2007.

I met thousands of Japanese people throughout the islands. Middle class Japanese are not racist either. The only racists I met were in Okinawa, and they hate Americans because of horrific crimes committed there by American servicemen. I investigated my share of them for the Air Force. It was bone-chilling stuff, the worst you can imagine, and the locals understandably wanted all military bases removed.
I made a score of lifelong Japanese friends, and dozens of wonderful acquaintances in the Tokyo area.
They are the best people I have ever had the pleasure to know. We return to visit at least every three years. The only place I would not be welcomed with open arms would be Okinawa. The funny thing is Okinawans are often looked down upon in Japanese culture. They are the hillbillies of Japan, and far more xenophobic than any other Japanese people I ever met.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I learned something.
 
They could not continue in China because they were running out of fuel and other vital resources for the war effort against China...the US cut them off to try and force them out of China...instead they took Option B and decided to take them from from everybody that had them in the region, and to do that they had to destroy our navy so the y could have free reign...and it failed.

Listen to the Dan Carlin podcast series free on youtube.."Supernova in the East" and you will get a very clear picture of the situation between Japan and the US and the other victorious WW1 colonial powers.
You nailed it. I am listening to this Carlin podcast sporadically and it is really, really good.
 
I just watched the Alabama highlights once again. I would like to vent about the fact that we have to put up with Bob Kesling year after year. I feel cheated that I missed out on John Ward. It would not be so bad if I did not have to listen to Kesling whom, in my opinion, is no better than a local radio DJ calling a high school football game. He consistently gets the name of our players wrong, he shows zero emotion, and most of the time it sounds like he would rather be anywhere else. He makes me feel nothing. I know there will NEVER be another John Ward, but that does not mean we have to put up with someone who clearly does not give a ****.
You were definitely cheated to have never got to listen to John. Watching the National Championship game was wonderful we muted the TV and turned on the radio. Best night of being a Vol fan I ever had. #2 was this year watching the Bama game last year with my 17 year old die hard fan daughter. Just seeing the joy on her face was priceless. I told her "this is what it feels like to be a true Tennessee fan"
 
I was writing about the old tropes more than your post.

Without any doubt, the most racist place I have ever been is China. I regret that we took our child on that vacation. I hated every second of being there. The most fun part was my son spotted our Govt agents tailing us. I was OSI and they were watching closely whenever I spoke to any Chinese person.

Even the government provided tour guides made sure we knew they hated us and only tolerated our presence because of our cash. i suggest no one ever tour China for pleasure.

My heart is still in Japan. My wife would leave everything to move back there, if I said we were going.
My wife and I spent two weeks in China when we adopted our daughter back in 2005. Our experience was the complete opposite of yours. We had a local guide arranged by our adoption agency. We spent a day and a half in Beijing and then the remainder was in Guangzhou. The people were very warm and welcoming. We did observe some of the Chinese police making fun of some of our adoptive family groups, but it was pretty veiled and not overtly hostile. We also had an interesting experience when one of the 100 yen notes we got at the bank near the hotel turned out to be counterfeit. We had some great conversations with the local people, who, admittedly, catered to Americans because most Americans adopting Chinese children at that time stayed in the White Swan Hotel in Guangzhou. I will still say it was a great overall experience, above and beyond meeting our daughter, which has been the biggest of blessings.
 
My wife and I spent two weeks in China when we adopted our daughter back in 2005. Our experience was the complete opposite of yours. We had a local guide arranged by our adoption agency. We spent a day and a half in Beijing and then the remainder was in Guangzhou. The people were very warm and welcoming. We did observe some of the Chinese police making fun of some of our adoptive family groups, but it was pretty veiled and not overtly hostile. We also had an interesting experience when one of the 100 yen notes we got at the bank near the hotel turned out to be counterfeit. We had some great conversations with the local people, who, admittedly, catered to Americans because most Americans adopting Chinese children at that time stayed in the White Swan Hotel in Guangzhou. I will still say it was a great overall experience, above and beyond meeting our daughter, which has been the biggest of blessings.
Sounds like a great experience, and congrats on the adoption (delayed)!
We interacted with a lot of Chinese people who could not do enough to let us know they were the future rulers of the world. They insisted Americans are a stupid people, and used every opportunity to assert the superiority of Chinese everything.
The people we met seemed to have a real chip on their shoulders.
We were treated very shabbily.
It was by far my worst traveling experience.
 
Reminds me of my experience with Geronimo Berroa… I was an 11-12 yr old kid and had a ball thrown to me at a KJAY game…. My favorite player was Berroa at the time… After the game…. Kids would wait near where the players exited the field for autographs… I asked Berroa for an autograph…. He cussed me and told me to get the F out of his way…. I started hoping he would fail so badly.
I met Bill Buckner when he was roving hitting instructor and was at Bill Meyer one night. I had a short conversation with him during a rain delay and let's just say I am very glad he muffed that damned ball in the 1986 World Series and I freaking hate the NY Mets.
 
It's really not like that at all, as the SEC championship isn't even open to other participants. The Fedex cup is probably more akin to that because it'd never happen.

The PGA is a tour where private contractors are given cards to play on the tour. There are exemptions for non-PGA private contractors to play in tournaments with the chance to win. That's really all it is.

It's more akin to a contractor being brought into a corporate environment and outperforming the other (more long term) private contractors over a four day period.
Yeah I was being hyperbolic for fun

Realistically it would be more like if after leaving the WWF for WCW, former WWF champion Macho Man Randy Savage got invited to participate in the WWF's Royal Rumble and won.
 
Sounds like a great experience, and congrats on the adoption (delayed)!
We interacted with a lot of Chinese people who could not do enough to let us know they were the future rulers of the world. They insisted Americans are a stupid people, and used every opportunity to assert the superiority of Chinese everything.
The people we met seemed to have a real chip on their shoulders.
We were treated very shabbily.
It was by far my worst traveling experience.
Sorry to hear that. Definitely do not blame you for not going back.
 
They could not continue in China because they were running out of fuel and other vital resources for the war effort against China...the US cut them off to try and force them out of China...instead they took Option B and decided to take them from from everybody that had them in the region, and to do that they had to destroy our navy so the y could have free reign...and it failed.

Listen to the Dan Carlin podcast series free on youtube.."Supernova in the East" and you will get a very clear picture of the situation between Japan and the US and the other victorious WW1 colonial powers.
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In some instances I wish we'd have invaded Japan. I may not be sitting here but, total submission would have been perfect for them.
 
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Reminds me of my experience with Geronimo Berroa… I was an 11-12 yr old kid and had a ball thrown to me at a KJAY game…. My favorite player was Berroa at the time… After the game…. Kids would wait near where the players exited the field for autographs… I asked Berroa for an autograph…. He cussed me and told me to get the F out of his way…. I started hoping he would fail so badly.
I’ve met some real “Jack Wipes” but Gary Carter was #1 on that list…..followed closely by Gaylord Perry.
Lee Trevino is #3
 
Let’s assume you have basic amenities covered like electricity, potable water, satellite internet/TV for UT games, etc.

For me, it’s enough marijuana to last a year 😂 Endless munchies.

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