Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[Ulysees E. McGill]

They had me on the fentanyl patch and 30mg oxycodone 3 times a day just to keep my pain levels around a 6 or 7. When I decided to try natural, non-addictive alternatives, coming off of those prescribed medications was much like how people have described coming off of heroine cold turkey. Then I still frequently had withdrawal symptoms for over a year. For me, personally, that was worse than the debilitating pain..... and like you I go through stretches that make life seem unbearable. I will take prescribed pain medications for up to 5 days during those times, but never again as daily maintenance.

That is what I started doing since I quit doing physical work in the early 2010s....week long scripts when I absolutely need them to have any quality of life.

The last time I was in full on hard-core pain management was in feb-sept 07. I hurt my lower back really badly while still working in building and flooring contracting, and had to go to physical therapy for 5-6 months. I was on two 30 mg time release morphines, and 4 1/2 percocet 10s along with gabapentin and muscle relaxers every day. I told the Doc in July that I felt like I could start weaning off, so he gave me a schedule to reduce weekly. I made my last month of scripts last 9 weeks....that really helped with the withdrawals.

I knew it was going to suck, but I literally wanted to die in Feb until I got on that pain relief regimen...it got me through the worst stretch and helped me get through the therapy.

I am more afraid of feeling that level of pain again than I am ANY medication. I'd rather be chemically dependent than want to die because the excruciating pain NEVER stops.


The day I took my first time release Morphines and Percs I wanted to finally get out of the house and do something fun again, so we went to Honeymoon Island State Park, and I actually got down on my knees in the middle of Honeymoon Island Beach and thanked God that the pain was gone and I could walk and move around again.

 

[ACvol3]

Down to 1mg a day. Was at 16. It’s a process for sure. Painful one at that.

Glad you’re making progress bro. A lot of ppl don’t. Years ago when I went through it my doc said I was one of two ppl that made it through, and that was out of hundreds of patients

 

[thistime]

Nothing like cactus stew........unless...........never mind...............

 

[InVOLuntary]

So Justin Williams- Thomas flipped from Stanford to Cal?

I think it was Hyams on the sports source this morning that said JWT had the highest NIL deal of any of last year's signees.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Well I'm in my final up ten points. Both have one player to go in the game tonight!View attachment 529947

Which one are you?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If you can't have legal over the counter drugs in your system, sounds like a lawsuit. That is beyond insane.

It is insane, but they say you don't have to drive for a living if you don't want to. I can ask for a unpaid medical leave of absence to do whatever I need to do until I get better, and they can not call you in for a state mandated random test if you are on LOA...you then have to have a letter from your doctor saying you are good to go and have no medication in your system before they will let you go back to work.

It sucks, but they are right....professional driving for a living is my choice. I just get in these Scylla and Charybdis situations sometimes and it sucks.

 

[bigl3327]

I think it was Hyams on the sports source this morning that said JWT had the highest NIL deal of any of last year's signees.

That's wild. I guess it makes sense because he was an early enrollee and was expected to have a significant impact last spring.

 

[butchna]

Lions have two 1st round picks?? Texans have two??
Need a QB..........Hum.

Bears in a great spot!

@butchna will be happy!

Happy as possible after a 3 win season and not knowing how we managed that many. Now Poles has a chance to land many pieces…just don’t blink too soon. And it’s all what you do with them. Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson turned picks into dynasties. Whomever traded Eric Dickerson to the Colts wasted time.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You should be allowed therapuetic quantities of just about any RX. I really don't understand the recent fuss over gabapentin. I'm convinced they scheduled it because a lot of docs wrote it with regular pain killers because it's the only drug that really works for neuropathy but it's not a drug you get high off of. For ages, it was mainly used as a psychiatric med and no one thought it needed to be scheduled until it was used to treat pain along with opiates.

And while I understand you don't want drivers and machine operators intoxicated, that's a different issue altogether than people taking medication at home. But I've long thought that the drug-test norm we instituted in the 90s for mostly blue collar jobs was a load of horse manure.

The laws for professional drivers and equipment operators are way over the top. They say you can't have ANY of the listed medications in your system....it is ridiculous that I can't take meds at night and on weekends, but that is the way it is.

 

[butchna]

Baker Mayfield isn’t an upgrade over Tannehill. I can’t believe people still think he’s a good NFL QB.

Serviceable…which is an upgrade. All moot without decent playcalling.

 

[volKano]

If you can't have legal over the counter drugs in your system, sounds like a lawsuit. That is beyond insane.

Nicotine is legal but you can’t work at the hospital with it in your system. You can be an alcoholic and work there. Odd world.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

That's not a dose they give you if they intend for you to come off of it. I'm glad that you made a choice that you're happy with but I think we make too many people jump through far too many hoops for pain relief. You said something earlier that struck me. You said, "they were turning me into an addict." I have two minds on this: 1. Your doctor or nurse should've explained the difference between dependence and addiction to you because it's super important. Dependence will happen to anyone on a prolonged dose of opiods/opiates as your body adjusts to the extra dopamine. Addiction is not dependence but most addicts are dependent.

And 2. You were right, they were turning you into an addict but what I mean by that is that the rules, pill counts, blood/urine tests, forms, suspicion, guilt, and general hoops they put people through just to get something that will help them function treats them like addicts instead of patients. It's dehumanizing and it turns treatment into a sentence when someone is chemically dependent on a drug to make them feel functional but must jump through all those hoops and worry about all the things that go along with it or that medication will be removed from them and they'll not only suffer the pain they'd suffer without it but the withdrawal experience you describe.

To me that's absolutely unacceptable. People right now have to choose between being sick full time and their jobs - even ones that don't take drug tests have to worry about monthly appointments and taking off work constantly. That's not right. It wasn't always this way and it shouldn't be today. Recreational users will always be around and this does nothing but harm regular people while not affecting people who experimenting or using for fun.

Amen amen amen amen

 

[Z06VolinWV]

I still take subs for former transgressions with addiction. When I run out or I have insurance issues… kratom is probably the last stand between me and relapse. It’s amazing.

We have so many testimonies from customers that buy Kratom products to keep them from relapsing into drug use. Folks have literally told us it has saved their lives.

 

[volKano]

Anyone else think Tayven ends up at USF?

 

[sutro]

If the oral NSAIDS worked but caused GI issues, has anyone ever given you topical diclofenac? It works quite well, and you get a lower systemic dose, so lessened side effects. It is recently over the counter, so easy to try. If it works, you could ask for a prescription to get it covered.

We tried it twice, and while it did work pretty well, it tore my guts up within a week both times.

The stomach/intestinal pain was awful. I am just unlucky when it comes to Mobic...there was actually another of those type meds we tried that did the same thing to me..I think it was Celecoxib...Celebrex.

Spitting up blood sucks.

 

[SSVol]

I prefer college also. I think I watch the NFL not for some excitement fix but rather the beauty of the game. The betting and fantasy helps with the excitement factor. Does that help?

Sounds like you may be more a fan of betting.

I agree there are some amazing plays and players. Watching King Henry toss fools is magic. Unfortunately it requires watching the Titans to see it. Although in fairness, watching Vrabel stare at his team like every single one is an idiot is truly inspiring. Wait...you're right. I'm not a football fan. I'm a college football fan.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

@Ulysees E. McGill what caused it? Bad luck? Injury? Work?

I have a genetic predisposition towards extreme degenerative joint and disc disease..it runs in heavily in my maternal grandfathers family, and my paternal grandmothers family.

Several of my forebears in those two branches were basically all crippled in their 40s...so just gad luck. I also made it much worse by doing an extremely hard job (flooring installer) for a living for close to 30 years.

My son and daughter are both in their late 20s now, and unfortunately it has hit them both hard the last couple of years...thankfully neither one of them has ever done the kind of back-knee breaking work that I did so they both just have mild to moderate chronic pain...so far. I started hurting really bad in my mid 20s and it's been downhill ever since.

All my docs have said I have an extremely high tolerance for pain...so I have that going for me...lol.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If the oral NSAIDS worked but caused GI issues, has anyone ever given you topical diclofenac? It works quite well, and you get a lower systemic dose, so lessened side effects. It is recently over the counter, so easy to try. If it works, you could ask for a prescription to get it covered.

Nope....haven't heard of that.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Someone had to take the picture. . .

 

[Enki_Amenra]

We have so many testimonies from customers that buy Kratom products to keep them from relapsing into drug use. Folks have literally told us it has saved their lives.

I wonder if Kratom is just as hard to stop taking?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Nicotine is legal but you can’t work at the hospital with it in your system. You can be an alcoholic and work there. Odd world.

Weird...at the hospital here when you drive by the "smoking" area off campus during the day, just about all the DRs and nurses are out there at one time or another...

Side thought...I have never lived anywhere that the ratio of smokers/vapers in society is so high...it seems like everybody up here smokes...it is weird.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I wonder if Kratom is just as hard to stop taking?

Nope

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Nope

What's it like? Caffeine or nicotine?

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I wonder if Kratom is just as hard to stop taking?

I have a few friends who are quite addicted to it!

I dont get it at all.

It makes me nauseous

 

[tn88volfan]

LOL