Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[MattR11]

I wonder if Kratom is just as hard to stop taking?

It just depends on the person and the dose. I have a friend that can take it for a few days and has mild withdrawals when stopping. Heard of people on higher doses having very bad withdrawals as well. I mean, it's not Tylenol for sure. It's certainly not oxy either. Has helped me as much or more than mild narcs.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

You should be allowed therapuetic quantities of just about any RX. I really don't understand the recent fuss over gabapentin. I'm convinced they scheduled it because a lot of docs wrote it with regular pain killers because it's the only drug that really works for neuropathy but it's not a drug you get high off of. For ages, it was mainly used as a psychiatric med and no one thought it needed to be scheduled until it was used to treat pain along with opiates.

And while I understand you don't want drivers and machine operators intoxicated, that's a different issue altogether than people taking medication at home. But I've long thought that the drug-test norm we instituted in the 90s for mostly blue collar jobs was a load of horse manure.

Neurontin (gabapentin) was developed to treat ALS. It didn’t work for ALS at all.
During the research it was noted to stop seizures and reduce nerve pain symptoms. It was never intended as a psychiatric medication.
I was at the med school during development and testing of Neurontin (gabapentin). I was part of the ALS clinic. It was awful how nothing has really helped ALS…

All of the meds in this family have a number 1 side effect of sedation or depression of CNS function. If you drive for a living, that’s an unacceptable risk. Lower dosage could help with little to no sedation.

 

[thistime]

Quay Walker is a stain. This isn’t the first time he’s gotten in a cheap shot on someone that’s not an opponent.

He'll have some time to think about it now. Stupid moves hurt your team....never fails.

 

[CAVPUT]

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[KB5252]

@VolsDoc81TX

My wife's sister recently passed. She struggled with mental illness that came out of nowhere. She was diagnosed schizophrenic and the last year she just withered away. Her death certificate was listed as schizophrenia complicated by COVID (paraphrasing).

But her last 6 months reminded me so much of watching my grandmother waste away with Alzheimer's. Do schizophrenics also not have the compulsory brain function that reminds them to eat and drink like those with Alzheimer's?

Just something I've wondered. I know you're not a mental health professional but everything I've read about schizophrenia details symptoms generally presenting themselves in adolescence to early twenties. My Sister in law was in her late 40's before she showed symptoms.

Just wondering if you had any insight.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

That's not a dose they give you if they intend for you to come off of it. I'm glad that you made a choice that you're happy with but I think we make too many people jump through far too many hoops for pain relief. You said something earlier that struck me. You said, "they were turning me into an addict." I have two minds on this: 1. Your doctor or nurse should've explained the difference between dependence and addiction to you because it's super important. Dependence will happen to anyone on a prolonged dose of opiods/opiates as your body adjusts to the extra dopamine. Addiction is not dependence but most addicts are dependent.

And 2. You were right, they were turning you into an addict but what I mean by that is that the rules, pill counts, blood/urine tests, forms, suspicion, guilt, and general hoops they put people through just to get something that will help them function treats them like addicts instead of patients. It's dehumanizing and it turns treatment into a sentence when someone is chemically dependent on a drug to make them feel functional but must jump through all those hoops and worry about all the things that go along with it or that medication will be removed from them and they'll not only suffer the pain they'd suffer without it but the withdrawal experience you describe.

To me that's absolutely unacceptable. People right now have to choose between being sick full time and their jobs - even ones that don't take drug tests have to worry about monthly appointments and taking off work constantly. That's not right. It wasn't always this way and it shouldn't be today. Recreational users will always be around and this does nothing but harm regular people while not affecting people who experimenting or using for fun.

Our Federal Government mandates all the strict rules.
Here in Texas, a significant reduction in opiate prescription use coincided with a significant increase in illegal drug overdose deaths. (Chinese fentanyl leading the charge).

 

[butchna]

Quay Walker is a stain. This isn’t the first time he’s gotten in a cheap shot on someone that’s not an opponent.

Knew he was a punk when…

 

[jave36]

Baker Mayfield isn’t an upgrade over Tannehill. I can’t believe people still think he’s a good NFL QB.

Neither are very good. Both are serviceable with a good supporting cast.

 

[Vol423]

So we’re arguing tallest turd? Fair enuff. No “should have” involved in this one. No one is more versed in what a franchise QB DOESN’T look like than this guy! Justin Fields is our most decent hope since Jay Cutler showed something before he didn’t. But honestly we haven’t had one since Sid Luckman. Mayfield doesn’t transform the franchise by any means but he’s got a pulse. Something Tannehill didn’t register this year.

Mayfield gives you the same pulse as Tannehill. Any pulse is bad. A team will never get the top draft pick it needs going that route.

 

[KB5252]

It just depends on the person and the dose. I have a friend that can take it for a few days and has mild withdrawals when stopping. Heard of people on higher doses having very bad withdrawals as well. I mean, it's not Tylenol for sure. It's certainly not oxy either. Has helped me as much or more than mild narcs.

I have chronic back pain, will always have it. And I refuse to take opiates for any term other than emergencies, a week or less. Surgery is coming but the doctors have warned me this will be a structural fix and may reduce pain but the recovery will be long and I need to think about long term pain management while rehabbing. I know nothing about Kratom, tell me what you know. I'm considering marijuana as my employer does not test for it unless there's is some accident. I manage operations at my location and can avoid any machinery.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Nope....haven't heard of that.

Voltaren gel is over the counter now.

 

[thistime]

Mayfield gives you the same pulse as Tannehill. Any pulse is bad. A team will never get the top draft pick it needs going that route.

I think Willis was a Robinson "value" pick and I think Vrabel wasn't to high on that either. If they pick a QB in this draft very high that will be who they plan or hope to one day take over from Tannehill.

 

[KB5252]

I think Willis was a Robinson "value" pick and I think Vrabel wasn't to high on that either. If they pick a QB in this draft very high that will be who they plan or hope to one day take over from Tannehill.

They can't pick a QB this year IMO. They don't have the ability to protect him. We will draft a guy in the next year or two.... Just not this year.

 

[Vol423]

If you want a chance to land a true franchise QB, start Willis next year. You’ll get the #1 overall pick.

 

[SoilVol]

Sources: Broncos currently plan to draft Darnell Wright with their 1st rd pick and trade up into the 2nd round to get Hendon Hooker if he falls late into the 2nd.

My source knows a guy in the Broncos org. Idk how. Seems like a lot could happen and I think Wright will go before they get to the Broncos pick (Broncos have 49ers pick).

 

[Enki_Amenra]

That, idk? I've never personally used it. I can dig in and find out some more for ya if you would like me to?

Nah, doesn't matter, I was just curious. If it helps people fight addiction and isn't really very hard to stop using. . .

 

[scienceteaching_vol]

He'll have some time to think about it now. Stupid moves hurt your team....never fails.

Was he the one who put our hat on and then threw it?

 

[Vol since 77]

That’s great for the medial branch nerves that control the facet joints. (These nerves are sensory nerves to the joint only.) Definitely not for true Sciatic nerve injury that she has. The Sciatic nerve is a mixed nerve which has both sensory and motor neurons. Ablation of the mixed nerve would mean loss of muscle function too….

I have had patients who had referred pain from the facet joints that isn’t really a sciatic nerve problem. Those folks did well with the blocks and ablation.

She had an actual injury to the nerve. If medication doesn’t work, then a spinal cord stimulator can help with the pain. Boston Scientific makes the best system in my opinion and experience.

This man knows his stuff. Anyone would do well to listen to him (doing quite well since disc replacement Doc). 6 month follow-up this week. All your advice is Greatly appreciated

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

@VolsDoc81TX

My wife's sister recently passed. She struggled with mental illness that came out of nowhere. She was diagnosed schizophrenic and the last year she just withered away. Her death certificate was listed as schizophrenia complicated by COVID (paraphrasing).

But her last 6 months reminded me so much of watching my grandmother waste away with Alzheimer's. Do schizophrenics also not have the compulsory brain function that reminds them to eat and drink like those with Alzheimer's?

Just something I've wondered. I know you're not a mental health professional but everything I've read about schizophrenia details symptoms generally presenting themselves in adolescence to early twenties. My Sister in law was in her late 40's before she showed symptoms.

Just wondering if you had any insight.

I’m sorry for your loss. I don’t have any insight in regards to that area. I’m sorry.

 

[KB5252]

I’m sorry for your loss. I don’t have any insight in regards to that area. I’m sorry.

No worries, I knew it was a long shot.

 

[thistime]

Was he the one who put our hat on and then threw it?

He pushed a trainer for the Lions.
Edited to answer your question.....Yes.....classless.
Ejected tonight for another classless move.

 

[jakez4ut]

Fly Eagles Fly

I'm rooting for the chiefs, only because I can still win the super bowl pool if they do...
(And none of my teams are in it)

 

[KB5252]

Was he the one who put our hat on and then threw it?

He took our bag then took the GA bag and trolled us and committed to GA. He and Pruitt are grade A douchebags.

 

[thistime]

They can't pick a QB this year IMO. They don't have the ability to protect him. We will draft a guy in the next year or two.... Just not this year.

I think they might get one "if'" the right one is available and not play next year but just get a year or two under their belt and learn by watching and practicing as much as possible. I don't think Willis will ever be the guy they want as the QB. If they threw a new guy out there or even if they were to get a veteran free agent to replace or back up Tannehill without upgrading the line it wouldn't be pretty. I think Tannehill will be there next year anyway unless they just redo everything on that side of the ball which might not be a bad option but who knows.

 

[KB5252]

I think they might get one "if'" the right one is available and not play next year but just get a year or two under their belt and learn by watching and practicing as much as possible. I don't think Willis will ever be the guy they want as the QB. If they threw a new guy out there or even if they were to get a veteran free agent to replace or back up Tannehill without upgrading the line it wouldn't be pretty. I think Tannehill will be there next year anyway unless they just redo everything on that side of the ball which might not be a bad option but who knows.

If you draft a QB this year that means you have three qb's you have to pay. With all the needs this teams has and the cap situation I don't see that as a scenario that plays out.