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I disagree. I think we will struggle somewhat to move the football on the ground but will press our advantage through the air

You're giving them too much credit. They're starting Juco lineman at Utah State. So the linemen aren't top tier. Their about to get killed plain and simple. We're going to hit them and everyone else right in the mouth!
 
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When people start calling for the upset, I don't think they realize what Utah State lost as well. You see their results last year and ours, and people think it can be an upset. I had already heard they almost lost their entire OL like us, and I knew their defense was simply not as big. Their one big and important returning player is also the one recovering from a mid-season ACL tear. I expect us to be able to do almost whatever we want on offense. They may score some on our young defense. JMO.

I agree. Last year's USU team with Chuckie Keeton coming back would be a very tough out. This year's team looks more manageable.
 
You're giving them too much credit. They're starting Juco lineman at Utah State. So the linemen aren't top tier. Their about to get killed plain and simple. We're going to hit them and everyone else right in the mouth!

I hope you are right, but I've gone back and watched their games and not many teams run them over. I will eat crow if I am wrong
 
Saw a guy on the TSR text box point out that former Vol Daniel Grey projected to start at corner for the Aggies

This right here tells me all I need to know about their D. No offense meant towards a former vol, but it is what it is at this point. We will score a LOT of points in this game.
 
Midyear 2015 class superlatives

Tennessee already has 22 known commitments on board, and the Vols’ 2015 recruiting class quickly is approaching capacity with National Signing Day still more than six months away.

With the halfway point of the recruiting calendar just around the corner, here’s a look at the Vols’ midyear recruiting superlatives for the 2015 class.

Class MVP: Kahlil McKenzie
A five-star defensive tackle from Concord, Calif., McKenzie isn’t just one of the highest-ranked prospects in Tennessee’s class. He also has emerged as one of the Vols’ most effective recruiters in less than two weeks as a UT commitment, having immediately turned his attention to trying to convince several other elite players to join him at Tennessee.

Most underrated: Austin Smith
Smith remains one of the lowest-rated prospects in the 247Sports Composite among Tennessee’s current commitments, but he was one of the Vols’ top linebacker targets in the 2015 class for a reason. He has college-ready size and underrated athleticism, and he’s versatile enough to play any of the three linebacker positions in UT’s defense.

Hardest hitter: Cecil Cherry
Cherry is a solid all-around linebacker, although he didn’t necessarily stand out as one of the most versatile players at Nike’s The Opening earlier this month. But events like the national all-star event in Beaverton, Ore., generally don’t play to the strengths of true middle linebackers like Cherry, who is at his best when colliding with running backs near the line of scrimmage.

Most NFL potential: Preston Williams
There’s a reason Williams, a five-star wide receiver, remains the highest-rated prospect among Tennessee’s current commitments in the 247Sports Composite. He has freakish ability and impressive size, at 6 feet 4 inches and 191 pounds, that have made him one of the stars of the Vols’ class since the day he committed to UT almost a year ago.

Biggest recruiting victory: Quinten Dormady
It’s difficult to overstate the importance of Tennessee beating out rival Alabama for Dormady, a Top247 quarterback from Boerne, Texas. Landing a quarterback in the 2015 class had been one of the Vols’ top priorities for months, and their lengthy search had become a major concern throughout the spring. But it worked out fine in the end for UT, which ended up getting one of its top targets at the position.

Most surprising commitment: Quay Picou
Most people didn’t realize that Tennessee was heavily involved with the four-star defensive tackle from Buford, Ga., before he committed to the Vols along with teammate Austin Smith while attending last month’s “Orange Carpet Day.” The 247Sports Crystal Ball previously had pointed to Ohio State as the favorite to land Picou.

Top sleeper: Chance Hall
Hall, a three-star prospect from Roanoke, Va., was widely viewed as a defensive tackle for most of his recruitment, but it was his upside as an offensive tackle that caused Tennessee to make him a high priority. While a few other teams eventually took notice of his potential on the offensive line, the Vols seem to believe they're getting a steal in Hall, who was one of their top offensive-tackle targets.

Most versatile: Jauan Jennings
Jennings, a top-100 athlete from Murfreesboro, Tenn., remains a bit of an unfinished product. He’s a two-way player heading into his senior year at Blackman High School, and he’s still developing as a quarterback, the position he’s hoping to play in college. But Jennings undoubtedly has the size and athleticism to be an effective player in the SEC at multiple positions, including safety, where many believe he has the most upside.

Best motor: Andrew Butcher
It has become a bit of a cliché to refer to a player’s “motor” in identifying effective pass rushers who lack elite size, and the description doesn’t fit every player. But Butcher is a high-energy player who uses his initial burst off the edge and consistent effort to overcome his relatively short stature for the defensive-end position at 6 feet 2 inches.

Best camp evaluation: Jocquez Bruce
Bruce had been on Tennessee’s radar for months, but it was his performance during one of the Vols’ camps last month that ultimately caused them to extend an offer to him. While UT had expressed interest in him as a potential cornerback or running back, he put on a show as a slot receiver, where he juked past defenders and showed good hands.

Most loyal commitment: Jack Jones
Jones committed to Tennessee in May 2013, just two days after the Vols extended an offer to him, giving coach Butch Jones’ staff its third commitment for the 2015 class. At the time, Jones’ only other offers were from Georgia Tech and Middle Tennessee. He later added several offers during and after a dominant junior season, but he still has shown little interest in other schools over the past year.

Top recruiter: Robert Gillespie
Gillespie has proved himself as one of the Vols’ most effective recruiters over the past several months. He’s serving as the primary or secondary recruiter for eight of UT’s current commitments, including four-star running back Alvin Kamara, Picou, Smith, defensive end Marques Ford, Bruce, three-star running back Rocky Reid, Cherry and Butcher. Defensive line coach Steve Stripling, at No. 13, currently is the Vols’ highest-ranked coach in the 247Sports recruiter rankings for the 2015 class, and offensive coordinator Mike Bajakian is at No. 35. But Gillespie, who's ranked No. 20, has been as impressive as anyone on Tennessee’s staff.

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Article on VQ.... Breakdown of Utah State

Defensively, the Aggies run a 3-4 defense. They return 1 guy on the DL who started a year ago.... BJ Larson. He's 6'5 and 275 lbs. He was a 2nd team All Conference player last year. Jordan Nielson, 6'5 and 265 lbs will man the other end position. And Ricky Ali'fua will be the NT at 6'3 and 275 lbs.

The Aggies lost their 2 top tacklers on the DL last season. However, they did sign quite a few Juco DL in the '14 class to provide some depth.

As you see they are not big at all, but they are athletic. I expect our guards to get a good push. Thomas and Blair will be tested immediately.

Onto the LBs...

Gone is Jake Doughty who amassed 148 tackles last year. They do return their 3 other starting LBs from a year ago. Zach Vigil will take over in the middle. He had 124 tackles last year. Their "Jack" guy is Kyler Fackrell (6'5 and 245 lbs). He will apply the pressure off the edge.

They also lost 3 starters in their secondary. The Aggies' team defense ranked close to the top 10 in every statistical defensive category from a year ago.

Next is the offense....

We all know about Chuckie Keeton and what he's capable of. He has thrown for over 5,900 yards and ran for over 1,100 yards while tallying over 70 TDs in his career thus far. He had a major knee injury last year and this will be his first chance to knock the rust off.

However, Keeton won't have the usual protection and weapons that he's accustomed to having. Utah State has lost 4 starting OL and a valuable 2nd team OL from a year ago. Gone are their top 2 tailbacks. Their leading returning rusher, Joe Hill, missed the last 9 games of the season with a bad knee injury.

At Wide Receiver, it doesn't get any better. Gone are Travis Van Leewen and Travis Reynolds. Last year combined, they caught over 100 receptions to go with nearly 1,500 yards. Their return WR is Jo Jo Natson (5'7 and 151 lbs). He's their do-it-all guy. He'll line up in the slot, RB, and even at Wildcat. However, he's not that explosive. He averages less than 7 yards per catch and less than 4 yards per rush.

They have 2 other guys at WR that played sparingly throughout the whole year. One guy, Brandon Swindall, (6'4) caught 6 red zone TD passes last year. He will obviously have a larger role this year.

My pre Fall Camp prediction:

38-17 Vols




I will go along with your score prediction. I heard a couple of the guys on one of the sports radio shows in Knoxville this morning talk like they felt Tennessee should win the first two games but they also thought that both USU and Arky St. had the talent to beat Tennessee.
They apparently were going by what they did last year and must have not looked at what players they had returning. It would be nice to have some radio sports talk shows in Knoxville that actually had some good things to say about Tennessee football and basketball. Two or three of those guys will talk against Tennessee until they win 3 or 4 National Titles in a 4 or 5 year period and they still won't have much good to say about Butch Jones.
 
I might be dreaming this, but did I see somewhere that we might be trying to get some Jordan brand equipment for the basketball teams? And maybe even football?

I'm not sure about basketball, but I'm sure that will be the case. UT is hoping to be the first fully Jordan-branded football team in the country though.
 
For the first four days this week, leading into Thursday's pre-camp press conference inside Neyland Stadium, we at VolQuest.com are going to tackle the most pressing questions Tennessee's football team faces as it seeks to further solidify its Year Two foundation under coach Butch Jones.

We'll bring you this content each day at lunch, and we're opening up with what we're all identifying as our respective top objectives for the Vols during the course of this three-week camp, which officially begins under the lights Friday night on Haslam Field.

BRENT'S TOP VOLS' OBJECTIVE:

For me there's plenty of obvious big-picture questions; however the question is what's the top objective for fall camp and for me that's solidifying things at left tackle. The other offensive line positions are pretty much set with little competition at any of the spots (that's another question they must answer, depth). However before you can find linemen 6, 7, or 8, you have to find five and that's why finding or solidifying the left tackle position is so important. Dontavius Blair has lost some weight. He's in much better shape physically, but where is his confidence? He didn't seem like a very confident player at the end of spring. Blair's competition for the spot is former-walk-on-turned-scholarship=player Jacob Gilliam. Gilliam is a great story in college athletics. He's played in three games in his career. Can he handle the position? Can either guy handle the position?

An offensive line needs as much work as possible as a unit in order to develop chemistry. With a big-time pass rush looming in week three in Norman, Okla., settling in at left tackle to grow as a unit is a big time objective for Butch Jones.

JOHN'S TOP VOLS' OBJECTIVE:

All the points outlined here at pivotal to the Vols' camp success during the month of August, but I'm going with solidifying a defensive line rotation and then cultivating a pass-rush within that group as the crucial element as camp unfolds.

I think the Vols are going to enjoy a huge offensive uptick for a variety of reasons, and I think the offensive line will play with a chip on its shoulders that could help conceal some, not all, of its inexperiences.

However, Tennessee needs massive help along its defensive front and particularly at pressuring the opponents' quarterbacks if it is to snap a string of losing seasons that matches the longest in the storied program's history.

Curt Maggitt is fully healthy, and A.J. Johnson is faster than he's ever been in manning the second level of the defense. Maggitt, Jordan Williams, Trevarris Saulsberry, Corey Vereen, LaTroy Lewis and Danny O'Brien all have various levels of experience. Dimarya Mixon might quietly have been the biggest surprise among the DL in spring camp; Owen Williams got a valuable indoctrination into the grueling world of being an interior lineman in the SEC. He got in better physical shape, has continued that in the offseason and also added needed strength.

Now there's a cast of talented newcomers who will push immediately for playing time, led by Dewayne Hendrix, Derek Barnett and Michael Sawyers.

Whatever combination the Vols ultimately find comfort with, they need it to be vastly more effective. UT had a paltry 18 sacks a year ago, tied for 99th nationally and last in the SEC. Tennessee has had just 51 total sacks combined the previous three seasons; Stanford notched 44 sacks just last season.

The Vols are much more talented across the board defensively, and they'll be a more athletic team in the back-7 on defense. But that group needs help, and a healthy pass rush with an established rotation along the Vols' defensive front looms as key for Tennessee during camp.

AUSTIN'S TOP VOLS' OBJECTIVE:

They say that if you have two quarterbacks then you don't really have any. I'm not sure that is correct, but I feel like it's important to establish a clear-cut No.1-option at the most important position on the field for Tennessee. Obviously it was a competition last fall before Justin Worley established himself as the signal-caller. He struggled early and then came the Nathan Peterman experiment at Florida. Butch Jones turned back to Worley and he was just starting to play really well when he was injured and missed the remaining four games. Would the Vols have made a bowl game last season if Worley isn't injured? I believe so, but we will never know.

Worley's absence gave Josh Dobbs the chance to play and gain experience. Dobbs had some good and some bad like most any freshman would that was pushed into duty. Now, both have shown improvement during the spring and have the chance to take command once again in fall camp. Worley's off-season work and appearance at the Manning Passing Academy are what you would expect from a senior who mentally gets it. Dobbs also gets the mental side of the game and both have worked hard to improve on their weaknesses in the passing game. It's important that one gain control early in August and never look back, so it allows for the starter to play free and not tight with the backup closely looking over his shoulder. This team has two great leaders on the defense, but with an all new offensive line and young wide receivers, they need a go-to guy on offense. It always starts with the quarterback in any offense and that will definitely be the case on Rocky Top if Tennessee is to make it to a bowl game for the first time since the 2010 season.

ROB'S TOP VOLS' OBJECTIVE:

It's been a good while since the offensive line was real preseason concern in Knoxville but that trend is changing in a big way this fall. After losing five veteran starters Don Mahoney is in total rebuild mode with his unit. How quickly this group can gel could have a huge impact on the course the upcoming season takes.

Only guard Marcus Jackson, who redshirted last season, has significant experience and he'll be leaned on heavily to provide some veteran leadership. Center Mack Crowder has become a favorite of Butch Jones and his staff for his grit and work ethic. He enters this fall with a ton on his shoulders at a crucial position, but also riding some momentum after a very strong spring.

Kyler Kerbyson also turned heads with his progress last year and rolls into fall camp as the likely starter at the guard spot opposite Jackson. The redshirt sophomore plays with some nastiness and with the kind of physical edge required inside.

The biggest question marks among a long list of them are at tackle where two newcomers to the program, freshman Coleman Thomas and junior college transfer Dontavius Blair, enter fall camp as the presumptive starters or in Blair's case, battling to supplant Jacob Gilliam as the starter at left tackle.

Having both Thomas and Blair on campus for the spring semester as early enrollees was huge for their development. Blair was one of the most highly sought after junior college prospects in the country last fall and he showed some very obvious physical gifts during spring practice. It wasn't a seamless transition for him though, as he had some struggles at times, but seemed to really make some strides in the coaches' eyes towards the end of spring.

Thomas has quietly been one of the nicer surprises in what looks to be a loaded freshman class. Thrown into the fray as the starter at right tackle in the spring, he's worked to nail that spot down and looks like a potential four-year starter. He's also had one of the best offseasons on the team, adding over 25 pounds of 'good' weight since his arrival to presently check in at 323 pounds.

There's no doubt he'll encounter some growing pains against the caliber of competition he'll see on the defensive line in his first tour through the SEC but so far he's handled everything thrown at him.

Individually, this group has some bright spots. Successful offensive line play though is dependent on five individuals meshing into a cohesive unit that can think and make adjustments on the fly in incredibly high pressure situations. How good this group can be will largely depend on how quickly they can find the kind of chemistry required to play at a high level in this league particularly.

Tennessee has seriously upgraded its talent at the skill positions, but in order to take advantage of that, this group is going to have to develop at an accelerated rate.

The good news is that the future looks pretty bright. The bad news is that the Vols are about to open 2014 with five new offensive line starters, which is never an ideal position.

PAUL'S TOP VOLS' OBJECTIVE:

It was no real shocker in the spring when newcomers like Jalen Hurd, Josh Malone, Dimarya Mixon, Ethan Wolf, Von Pearson (and the list could go on) all received a ton of reps with the first team as they are going to be valuable keys to the vols' 2014 season.

With 18 more incoming newcomers for fall camp I believe Tennessee's top objective is getting those players as ready as possible in the month of August before the first game of the season.

Almost all of the Vols' 14 January newcomers were able to find a role in the two deep in the 15 practices in March and April and the group that will get their feet wet beginning Aug. 1, will add more to that number.

With most of the help on the defensive side of the ball, getting reps for guys like Dillon Bates, Chris Weatherd, Evan Berry, Elliot Berry, Rashaan Gaulden, Dewayne Hendrix, Derek Barnett, Michael Sawyers will be extremely important as the Vols try and find out who can help them early on in the season.

Tennessee seemingly needs depth at every position and several of the summer newcomers will have to take on big roles for the team, so getting the group acclimated and going as quickly as possible is a huge key this August.
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They would lose to this years Vols and it wouldn't be close.....

I'm with you. I think we hammer USU from start to finish. They may put up a point or two on our new defenders, but I just can't imagine them stopping our offense with any consistency during opening weekend, at night, and in front of 103,000 football starved Vols fans.
 
I'm not sure about basketball, but I'm sure that will be the case. UT is hoping to be the first fully Jordan-branded football team in the country though.

Being branded by Jordan in basketball sounds super fresh.

I can't really picture it for football. But if we can make it work, I'm all for it.

JUST DO IT!

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Hurd's style of running hasn't been seen at UT since Hardesty. I look forward to watching LBs getting punished all game......

I wish Hardesty could have stayed healthy longer during his tenure at UT. That guy was talented, and it got overlooked due to his injuries (at least on a national level).

Good to see you posting more often BB. I like reading your perspectives.
 
Division is wide open: There’s no arguing that Tennessee, on paper, seems to be behind many of its peers in the East.

A close examination of the East, though, leaves a bit to be desired.

The top two contenders in the SEC East (Georgia and South Carolina) are very talented but have legitimate questions in tough areas, and both lost tremendous leaders at the quarterback position. Last season’s East champion (Missouri) lost a ton on both sides of the ball. The division’s perennial powerhouse (Florida) is a trendy pick to turn things around offensively under a new coordinator, but the fact is it didn’t go to a bowl game last season. The division’s up-and-comer the past few years (Vanderbilt) lost the head coach to led its improbably turnaround. And the other team (Kentucky) is ... well ... Kentucky.

While there’s definitely talent in the SEC East, this isn’t shaping up to be your older brother’s SEC East. The SEC West still seems to be a much, much stronger division at the moment.

- 247 (Rucker)
 
Perimeter playmakers: Tennessee doesn’t boast many of the SEC’s elite position groups, but the Vols might be as good as anyone in the league in at least one spot.

And that spot can put points on the board in a hurry.

Tennessee’s top handful of receivers — sophomore Marquez North, junior Pig Howard, junior Von Pearson, freshman Josh Malone and redshirt freshman Jason Croom — seem to be a good matchup against any other handful in the league, and those are the Vols’ only options at that position.

Size. Speed. Quickness. Hands. The Vols have all of those things on the perimeter. And if they can block and throw — which, admittedly, are big question marks until proven otherwise — they might be able to put up plenty of points. And you can at least compete for championships these days just by doing that.

- 247 (Rucker)

Also, isn't Croom a redshirt sophomore this year?
 
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