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North and Malone on the outside, Pig or Pearson in the slot, Wolf or Helm running down the seam, and Hurd or Lane in the backfield. What do opposing defensive coordinators do?


Cry. They cry.

Amazing the difference in watching practice Vids a yr ago to today. Before you couldn't really tell who was a Walkon and a scholarship player in terms of talent. Now its pretty clear.

If Jenkins can stay healthy I think he makes some noise too. He was a big time signee and looked real good in those highlights yesterday.

The WR core potential is amazing
 
AJ is on track to be leading tackler in TN history but apparently he is terrible and we have posters that can play better than him. I get that he maybe slightly overrated and does alot of arm tackling which leads to less turnovers forced. He has still improved each year IMO. He is durable and at the end of the day he gets the guy on the ground. The kids and coaches look up to him for a reason. So he must not suck too bad.

The first part is never said on this board. Everyone acknowledges his contributions.

The second part is exactly the sum of the argument that people make around here.

Why do people insist that recognizing that he is not a punishing tackler means that they also say he sucks? I've never heard it actually said here, but people post about it like it is common. :dunno:
 
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AJ is on track to be leading tackler in TN history but apparently he is terrible and we have posters that can play better than him. I get that he maybe slightly overrated and does alot of arm tackling which leads to less turnovers forced. He has still improved each year IMO. He is durable and at the end of the day he gets the guy on the ground. The kids and coaches look up to him for a reason. So he must not suck too bad.

By on track do you mean hes going to get 200 tackles this year? Cause thats about how far behind spiva he is for all time leader. he should be solidly in the top 5 but not number one
 
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You guys have room for 1 more in that Volnation football fantasy league?? I have a feeling I wont be able to get enough football soon.
 
This may have been said but I want Butch Jones to be the answer at Tennessee pretty much worse than I've ever wanted anything before. Dude just does things the right way.
 
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We need to get out of these practices with few injuries, though. Makes me nervous. We need a little luck.
 
We need to get out of these practices with few injuries, though. Makes me nervous. We need a little luck.

There's always a handful of key injuries leading up to the season. Just is what it is. I always brace myself for one or two bigger ones.

I think we can absorb an injury better in most positions than we have been able to in the recent past. If it's QB or OL, then I'm really worried.
 
We need to get out of these practices with few injuries, though. Makes me nervous. We need a little luck.

What's so great about this particular team---and what separates it from other Tenessee teams of the last few years---is that we actually do have depth. Our problem with this team will be young and dumb.

And young and dumb, as most of us know, is a lot more fun.
 
Brian Randolph was tired. Tired of hearing his head coach talking trash. Tired of constantly hurting and having to play through pain.

So Randolph, Tennessee's redshirt junior safety and leader in the back end of the defense, did something about it.

He put on weight. A lot of it. And in the right places.

"I wanted to get some weight around my neck and my shoulders," Randolph said after practice Friday night, "so I could take hits and give hits better. It's durability."

The coaching staff let him know that was the needed course of actions. So did the trainers.

"They definitely stressed that," he said. "They talk about getting rid of stingers, protecting (against) stingers. Getting your traps bigger, neck bigger. So that was one of my main focuses in the offseason."

Butch Jones was a little more straightforward, not mincing words when telling his starting safety he was a handful of pounds short of the Southeastern Conference standard.

"He's always talking about, 'We got a 180 (pound) safety in the SEC,' " Randolph said. "He's always joking around like that."

Randolph is listed at 209 on Tennessee's official roster, up 10 pounds from his listed weight in 2013.

Jones said at SEC Media Days in July that Randolph was 25 pounds heavier, but Randolph chimed in Friday night saying it was closer to 15.

"He thinks I was extra small last year," Randolph joked.

Either way, a year removed from an ACL tear, Randolph labored through 12 games while playing with a constantly braced left shoulder last season that required offseason surgery.

He had a career-high 75 tackles in 2013, including 50 solo. He picked off four passes, three passes broken up and added 2.5 tackles for loss.

Now the brace is gone and the weight is added, and with it has come an unfamiliar feeling for Randolph --- relative health.

"It's definitely a good feeling to be fresh right now," he said. "But every football player has to play with injuries. There's not a healthy football player out there. We know it's just a part of the game."

Maybe most importantly, he hasn't lost a step while adding bulk.

"The quickness is definitely there," Randolph said. "I'd say I can feel a little more on play four or play five I can start feeling it a little bit.

"Overall I feel like my speed and my quickness are still there. I just have to get my conditioning (back)."

SUTTON'S STRENGTH

Cam Sutton is never very far away from Emmanuel Moseley. Before practice. After practice. Inside the football complex or out.

"I'm not his big brother, but I mentor him a lot," Sutton said. "I'm always in his ear. I'm always encouraging him. I'm always staying on him.

"Even outside of football, whether it's academics, anything in life, (he) can always come to me."

The two share a lot more than a position.

Both were Rivals three-star prospects. Both were relatively unheralded among their signing-class peers. Both were plugged in as a starter from Day 1.

Now Sutton is guiding Moseley down the path he cut last year, when he started all 12 games at corner during an All-SEC Freshman season.

"We sit down and watch film all the time," Sutton said, "whether it's before practice or after practice. Just so he gets accustomed to our system, accustomed to what he needs to work on and what we both need to work on.

"We coach each other, and that's the big thing about it."

SPEED SPEED SPEED

Randolph and his group of defensive backs encountered somewhat of an unknown during Friday night's camp-opener --- a breather.

"We have a lot of depth out there," Randolph said. "In the drills we get an extra break sometimes, so that's a good thing. Also, it's new people, it's fresh, new stuff to work with."

Those 'new people' --- D'Andre Payne, Emmanuel Moseley, Evan Berry, Elliot Berry, Rashaan Gaulden and Cortez McDowell --- nearly outnumber the old while adding competition and speed to secondary drills.

"They're definitely fast," Randolph said. "Probably upgraded (the speed) a good amount. They're swarming around out there. You can definitely tell they're quick on their feet."
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What's so great about this particular team---and what separates it from other Tenessee teams of the last few years---is that we actually do have depth. Our problem with this team will be young and dumb.

And young and dumb, as most of us know, is a lot more fun.

Not so fast. Oline and LB depth is scary. We cannot afford serious injury to a single person at those spots..

Edit: add corner to the list
 
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I am glad AJ Johnson plays for the Vols. He is a solid player & he is proud to be at UT. He is an above average LB. He has been the best LB UT has had the last 2 seasons & will be the best LB this season as well. He knows the defense inside and out & his teammates respect him. It is obvious the media & SEC coaches respect him as well. His awards and recognition show that.

With that being said he isn't the perfect form tackler & occasionally the ball-carrier will fight for extra yardage on a AJ Johnson tackle instead of being stopped immediately at the point of contact. Ideally, that isn't what you want out of your starting MLB. But AJ is generally a sure tackler. He doesn't miss many at all. He has above average lateral speed and has an excellent nose for the ball. He flows to the ball and makes tackles. He is a tackling machine. He is what he is.

The main concern I have personally with AJ Johnson's game is his overall lack of making big-time plays. He is unbelievably productive at making a large number of tackles at any given time, but he seems to be fairly non-existent at making "playmaking plays". The most important task for a starting MLB is to stop the run. And AJ generally does a great job at that. He is one of the best.

But there are always areas of a player's game that can be improved & AJ's would be his productivity in the backfield and in pass coverage.

AJ is a ball hawk & one of the best defensive players in the country from about 2 - 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. That is apparent from the fact he has accumulated 324 tackles in 3 seasons (34 starts, 36 total games). He needs more of a presence in the opponents backfield though. In those same 36 games & 34 starts, AJ has recorded a modest 21 tackles for loss & only 1 sack. While generally the MLB in a base 4-3 defense isn't expected to be the team leader in sacks or a premier pass-rusher, those numbers still leave a little to be desired, IMO.

Same story with causing turnovers. In 36 games played & 34 starts, AJ has only recorded one forced fumble and has yet to intercept the football. Again, the numbers leave a little to be desired out of a Pre-Season All-American MLB.

With that being said, it is wrong for fans to constantly criticize AJ Johnson. He is a great player & great role model for UT football. Fans need to realize it is difficult to diagnose a player's gameplay or statistics without completely understanding UT's defensive playbook & overall philosophy. Some defenses are schemed in a way in which the MLB isn't asked to do too much besides fit his gap responsibilities, flow to the football, and ultimately stop the run.

I've read quotes from AJ Johnson from this offseason where he discusses his lack of production in forcing turnovers & his willingness to improve on that in the offseason and play better overall this fall. I believe UT fans will see a much improved AJ Johnson this fall. I am excited to watch him play.
 
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I am glad AJ Johnson plays for the Vols. He is a solid player & he is proud to be at UT. He is an above average LB. He has been the best LB UT has had the last 2 seasons & will be the best LB this season as well. He knows the defense inside and out & his teammates respect him. It is obvious the media & SEC coaches respect him as well. His awards and recognition show that.

With that being said he isn't the perfect form tackler & occasionally the ball-carrier will fight for extra yardage on a AJ Johnson tackle instead of being stopped immediately at the point of contact. Ideally, that isn't what you want out of your starting MLB. But AJ is generally a sure tackler. He doesn't miss many at all. He has above average lateral speed and has an excellent nose for the ball. He flows to the ball and makes tackles. He is a tackling machine. He is what he is.

The main concern I have personally with AJ Johnson's game is his overall lack of making big-time plays. He is unbelievably productive at making a large number of tackles at any given time, but he seems to be fairly non-existent at making "playmaking plays". The most important task for a starting MLB is to stop the run. And AJ generally does a great job at that. He is one of the best.

But there are always areas of a player's game that can be improved & AJ's would be his productivity in the backfield and in pass coverage.

AJ is a ball hawk & one of the best defensive players in the country from about 2 - 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. That is apparent from the fact he has accumulated 324 tackles in 3 seasons (34 starts, 36 total games). He needs more of a presence in the opponents backfield though. In those same 36 games & 34 starts, AJ has recorded a modest 21 tackles for loss & only 1 sack. While generally the MLB in a base 4-3 defense isn't expected to be the team leader in sacks or a premier pass-rusher, those numbers still leave a little to be desired, IMO.

Same story with causing turnovers. In 36 games played & 34 starts, AJ has only recorded one forced fumble and has yet to intercept the football. Again, the numbers leave a little to be desired out of a Pre-Season All-American MLB.

With that being said, it is wrong for fans to constantly criticize AJ Johnson. He is a great player & great role model for UT football. Fans need to realize it is difficult to diagnose a player's gameplay or statistics without completely understanding UT's defensive playbook & overall philosophy. Some defenses are schemed in a way in which the MLB isn't asked to do too much besides fit his gap responsibilities, flow to the football, and ultimately stop the run.

I've read quotes from AJ Johnson from this offseason where he discusses his lack of production in forcing turnovers & his willingness to improve on that in the offseason and play better overall this fall. I believe UT fans will see a much improved AJ Johnson this fall. I am excited to watch him play.

QFT. Excellent post Flowd, thank you for typing that out.
 
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I am glad AJ Johnson plays for the Vols. He is a solid player & he is proud to be at UT. He is an above average LB. He has been the best LB UT has had the last 2 seasons & will be the best LB this season as well. He knows the defense inside and out & his teammates respect him. It is obvious the media & SEC coaches respect him as well. His awards and recognition show that.

With that being said he isn't the perfect form tackler & occasionally the ball-carrier will fight for extra yardage on a AJ Johnson tackle instead of being stopped immediately at the point of contact. Ideally, that isn't what you want out of your starting MLB. But AJ is generally a sure tackler. He doesn't miss many at all. He has above average lateral speed and has an excellent nose for the ball. He flows to the ball and makes tackles. He is a tackling machine. He is what he is.

The main concern I have personally with AJ Johnson's game is his overall lack of making big-time plays. He is unbelievably productive at making a large number of tackles at any given time, but he seems to be fairly non-existent at making "playmaking plays". The most important task for a starting MLB is to stop the run. And AJ generally does a great job at that. He is one of the best.

But there are always areas of a player's game that can be improved & AJ's would be his productivity in the backfield and in pass coverage.

AJ is a ball hawk & one of the best defensive players in the country from about 2 - 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. That is apparent from the fact he has accumulated 324 tackles in 3 seasons (34 starts, 36 total games). He needs more of a presence in the opponents backfield though. In those same 36 games & 34 starts, AJ has recorded a modest 21 tackles for loss & only 1 sack. While generally the MLB in a base 4-3 defense isn't expected to be the team leader in sacks or a premier pass-rusher, those numbers still leave a little to be desired, IMO.

Same story with causing turnovers. In 36 games played & 34 starts, AJ has only recorded one forced fumble and has yet to intercept the football. Again, the numbers leave a little to be desired out of a Pre-Season All-American MLB.

With that being said, it is wrong for fans to constantly criticize AJ Johnson. He is a great player & great role model for UT football. Fans need to realize it is difficult to diagnose a player's gameplay or statistics without completely understanding UT's defensive playbook & overall philosophy. Some defenses are schemed in a way in which the MLB isn't asked to do too much besides fit his gap responsibilities, flow to the football, and ultimately stop the run.

I've read quotes from AJ Johnson from this offseason where he discusses his lack of production in forcing turnovers & his willingness to improve on that in the offseason and play better overall this fall. I believe UT fans will see a much improved AJ Johnson this fall. I am excited to watch him play.

You spent the first half of the article criticizing and outlining what you see as his deficiencies. Then you spent the second half saying how great he is at what he does and asking people not to criticize him. :crazy:
 
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I think the biggest problem with AJ's game is the lack of playmakers that we've had on defense. AJ has been limited to only the middle of the field, and hasn't really had the opportunity to make plays in the back field or sack the QB.
 
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You spent the first half of the article criticizing and outlining what you see as his deficiencies. Then you spent the second half saying how great he is at what he does and asking people not to criticize him. :crazy:

Wrong.

I critiqued AJ Johnson as a football player. I then suggested that UT fans shouldn't criticize AJ Johnson as a football player.

There is a large difference between critique and criticism.
 
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I think the biggest problem with AJ's game is the lack of playmakers that we've had on defense. AJ has been limited to only the middle of the field, and hasn't really had the opportunity to make plays in the back field or sack the QB.

Compare AJ to Luke Kuechly at BC,

AJ's Star starts to dim when you look at the two having basically same talent around (actually BC far less) and yet Luke made play after play after play after play.

That's what a great Linebacker does.


AJ's pretty good.
 
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Compare AJ to Luke Kuechly at BC,

AJ's Star starts to dim when you look at the two having basically same talent around (actually BC far less) and yet Luke made play after play after play after play.

That's what a great Linebacker does.


AJ's pretty good.

Luke Kuechly will be in the discussion for NFL Defensive Player of the Year for the next decade. Are you saying that you can't be a great college LB without being that kind of player? If so there have only been a handful of great college LBs in the history of the game.
 
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