Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLVII

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Tennessee will meet with Mike Gundy today and from everyone we’ve talked to we believe this thing is serious but nothing is guaranteed. Not a done deal at all but sources don’t believe this is simply a leverage play by Gundy. He is legitimately interested in the job. Now, he can demand the farm but that’s where the situation stands currently.
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Go Fight Win said:
and who knows. Maybe one day he'll be able to come home and win us some ball games.

But after today's news... im 100% hoping for Gundy
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It would have been unfair to throw Tee into this **** show. Anyone who likes Tee shouldn't want him here at this time. Liable to set his career back years and make him go from one of the most beloved to one of the most hated.
 
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If they are meeting in Dallas, that plane has to be for the family. Hypothetically speaking of course.
 
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hotcypress said:
I can only see this happening from a standpoint of equity not law. If Schiano turned down another job or a raise at OSU to take this job, he might have a case. This **** with an MOU being legally binding doesn't make sense to me. Especially if the MOU wasn't finalized by including all necessary signatures.

P.S. I guess it's possible that Schiano could argue that UT acted in bad faith since Bev didn't sign the thing. Seems like a tenuous argument to me.
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Actually, I bet the MOU was binding. I’m with you — typically they aren’t, but I think they usually are in coach searches because they actually start the job immediately and don’t have an employment agreement yet. I’m not exactly sure what to make of the signature thing — could argue both ways. Maybe depends on whether Bahama John represented to Schiano that he had authority to bind UT without the other signatures.
 
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Catbone said:
Chris low on ESPN just said Schiano will sue Tennessee
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Of course. Again, none of us know what was said in meetings, in emails, phone calls, etc. All of it builds a case in addition to a signed MOU. As I posted earlier, he's going to get a settlement check from somebody. There enough there to not want to drag out the legal expenses and possibility of loss in court. When the lawsuit happens, enter UT's liability insurers.
 
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Few things for those willing to read:

Apparently, Johnny Majors got a little word in at the QB club in Knoxville the other night. His message was essentially that he didn't approve of the way the fans and certain others (boosters/politicians) responded to the news of Schiano being the guy. He indicated that the people making the hiring decision know intimately more about what takes place when making the hire than the general public; therefore, the magnitude of their response was not justified.

IMO, I get what he is saying; however, he is missing the point that Schiano should have never been a candidate in the first place given the baggage that comes with him. Do I personally think he is a better coach than Butch Jones? Yes. Do I think he is the guy that can get us to where we belong? No. But, at the end of the day, the Penn State stuff should have had him immediately disqualified from the running let alone his coaching resume, which is not exactly pretty.

Here is the tough part about this whole situation. I think the majority of the UT fan base knows what it is like to be a successful football program. In other words, I'm willing to say that the majority of the UT fans lived through the Majors and/or Fulmer eras. That is a long time of being an extremely successful football program. You didn't even get to sniff the championship game unless you went undefeated, and we came close several times during that era.

Given such, I think UT fans have every right to demand more from the program, especially in light of the fact that it is public knowledge that the UTAD has generated huge amounts of money over the past few years. At what point will they reinvest that money in winning football games instead of stadium renovations and buildings? The fans are buying the tickets and donating money. That has to be respected.

At the same time, I think a lot of the fan base also needs a dose of reality. UT football is not where it used to be. The historical success of the program is largely irrelevant to the coaches mulling over whether they should take the job. What do they see? What do they think about? They probably see baggage, too. They now see a fan base that is very difficult to please and willing to and having the ability to overthrow a potential hire. They now see a very outspoken fan base on social media. They now see a potential boss whose own job may be in jeopardy. They also see a program that has struggled to succeed over the past 10 years. It is a difficult pill to swallow, but isn't it all true?

All of this to say the following: I'm not a huge fan of the fact that we had to protest a potential hire and got it to fall through. To the outside world, whether they understand the whole situation or not, it's not a very good look. However, the fact that it was Schiano does somewhat legitimize the actions. He should have never been a candidate, and thus brings into question the judgment of the UT AD as well as those advising/helping him. The UT AD needs to realize that winning ball games will help EVERYONE. The UT AD has the money, and money talks. IMO, I cannot believe that all top available coaches available would turn down anywhere from $5M to $8M per year despite the extra challenges they would have to deal with at UT. The UT AD needs to reinvest the cash available in winning some damn ball games.
 
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Found this in the gruden thread and I almost cried

TuxedoVol said:
The following I read on another site. Not my words at all. It was written by a gator fan. FANTASTIC READ.

"I get it. This wasn't about a singular event. This wasn't only about Schiano and Penn State.
It was about Kiffin. It was about Dooley. It was about Jones.
But, it was also about Pearl, Cuonzo and Tyndall.
It was about Delmonico, Raleigh and Serrano.
It was about the tragic end of the Pat Summit era and watching that program slowly be just another SEC team under Holly. A good team for sure, but not what once was.
It was about an athletic program that arguably is currently inferior to Vanderbilt.
It was about finishing 13th overall in the SEC men's all-sports standings for 2016-17. It's about not producing a men's SEC championship team since 2011 men's tennis.
It was about an athletic program that has failed and disappointed time and again. And through it all, people continued to cheer, support, travel, pay and hope.....only to be lied to, let down, and forced to endure.
But, this time would be different. The President of the school changed. The athletic director changed. All of the past failure was well documented. It could not be repeated. It would not be repeated. This time it was going to be different.
And then it wasn't.
And the people, who only have their voices, stood up and said "hell no". As many have pointed out, it united this fan base like nothing else in a decade. Everyone agreed. Everyone had enough. "Hell no". In a matter of a few hours, the push back was so strong that those in power had no choice but to listen.
I know that Tennessee fans are catching hell in some places, but I can only put myself in your shoes and say "I get it"."

Just spreading around to get good words out there.
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