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Tennessee CAN do better than 10-2, but sometimes the ball bounces a little funny. Yeah, they could have won at least against OU and Florida last year, but they also pulled one out of their rears against South Carolina and could have easily lost to Georgia. It just happens sometimes. We got some fortune, too, is all I'm saying.

So I think Tennessee is going to let a couple slip away this year because a couple slip away from most every team every year. But I also think the Vols are going to win a couple of close ones, and I also think they have the potential to really beat the brakes off a few solid teams.

It's gonna be fun. Can we go 12-0? Of course! Will we? Let me see them play a few games.
 
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I don't know why yall are predicting losses. Could we lose 2 games? Sure. But I've seen nothing from this team to suggest we'll lose to anyone on our schedule.

Folks saying we'll go 10-2 are simply going off history rather than looking at team 120 for what it is.

Given our talent, schedule, and experience, we can EASILY go 12-0. And probably should considering we get Florida and Alabama at home. Plus I don't believe this team will have a letdown against Georgia and A&M.

Stop being afraid of the expectations. This is a 12-0 caliber team. Stop predicting losses.

Each week I'll go in expecting to win that game. I can understand tho that looking at this gauntlet we have to run thru that we're gonna have a game where we're not gonna be playing up to our potential. Has happened every season, including 98. You're also gonna have a game when somebody is playing way over their head. Then of course there's just dumb luck...ball has a funny way of bouncing sometimes.
 
First, I picked us to go 8-4 last year while so many posters on here were saying we would win 10. I hit the nail on the head. The year before I said we would go 5-7 while many on here were saying we would win 8 or 9. I was off by one game. In Butch's first year I said we would go 5-7 while many were saying we should make a bowl game. Again, I hit the nail on the head, so I have a track record of being pretty accurate with my conservative predictions.

Also, I think you can look at those close losses last year and just as easily point to things that could have made them more convincing losses. We needed a couple of trick plays to score the 2 first half TDs against FL to get that lead everyone talks about us later losing. Without those plays their defense was really giving us fits. Against Bama I think our fans consistently underestimate the advantage we got from coming off a bye while Bama was playing their 8th game in a row. I think that may have been worth 2 scores in our favor.

Overall, Butch has done a great job of rebuilding our roster, and I expect this to be the best team we've had in a decade and maybe our best team since 2001. There is a lot of talent on this team and a lot to be excited about. It wouldn't surprise me to see us win 11 games, and I think there is an outside shot that we could even go undefeated (though that is extremely hard to do). For the first time since the Fulmer era, I look at our schedule and think we have a legitimate shot in every game.

Having said that, here are my reasons for predicting a 10-2 regular season rather than 11-1 or 12-0.

1.) We lack depth at DT. Right now we have 3 DTs we can count on in Vickers, O'Brien, and McKenzie. Picou is still a project, Tuttle and Johnson are still question marks in my mind, and as much as VN loves Paul Bain, I'm going to have see it to believe it with a walk-on playing in the trenches in the SEC. Other than these guys, we're looking at moving DEs over to DT because the coaches know we need more bodies. If everything falls into place, we could end up being fine here, but one injury combined with Tuttle and/or Johnson struggling to regain form could leave us in a bad place.

2.) Depth at LB. JRM and Kirkland give us a very dynamic starting duo, but if either of them gets injured (or just needs a breather) there seems to be a BIG drop-off from 1st to 2nd string at that position.

3.) I don't trust our passing game.

4.) OT. We were already lacking depth here before Hall got injured. Him being out only makes it worse. Richmond has a very high ceiling, bus as a RsFR he's probably still a couple of years away from hitting it. He may be good this year, but I think he will also go through some growing pains against the better D-lines we face. And while Brett Kendrick is a nice player, I don't think he's an upper-level OT in the SEC.

5.) This one may be a bit of a stretch, but depth at RB. We could lose a star-caliber player in the secondary, at DE, or even OG and still be ok because we have star-caliber players waiting in the wings at those positions. I don't think that's the case at RB though. If Hurd or Kamara goes down, there's a huge drop-off. I like Kelly and Fils-Aimee, but those guys are no Hurd and Kamara. Our top two are irreplaceable. Before you bash me on this one, stop and think about it. If one of those guys goes out for an extended period of time, how does that affect our offense and our chances of winning big games? Given our inconsistency in the passing game, and how well those 2 players compliment one another, losing one of them would be really bad news.

When I look at our schedule, these question marks are enough to add up to 2 losses IMO. I think we're a top 10 team (which is tremendous progress considering where we were when Butch took over), but, primarily because of the lack of depth at the key positions mentioned above, I don't think we're a top 5 team. Not yet.

+1 good post.
 
Tennessee CAN do better than 10-2, but sometimes the ball bounces a little funny. Yeah, they could have won at least against OU and Florida last year, but they also pulled one out of their rears against South Carolina and could have easily lost to Georgia. It just happens sometimes. We got some fortune, too, is all I'm saying.

So I think Tennessee is going to let a couple slip away this year because a couple slip away from most every team every year. But I also think the Vols are going to win a couple of close ones, and I also think they have the potential to really beat the brakes off a few solid teams.

It's gonna be fun. Can we go 12-0? Of course! Will we? Let me see them play a few games.

This is where I am. 10-2 seems about right. I could see the losses being Atm and Bama.

Some of our fans will want to roast and fire every coach for the two losses but most will realize 10-2 is pretty dang elite, particularly relative to our recent history.
 
First, I picked us to go 8-4 last year while so many posters on here were saying we would win 10. I hit the nail on the head. The year before I said we would go 5-7 while many on here were saying we would win 8 or 9. I was off by one game. In Butch's first year I said we would go 5-7 while many were saying we should make a bowl game. Again, I hit the nail on the head, so I have a track record of being pretty accurate with my conservative predictions.

Also, I think you can look at those close losses last year and just as easily point to things that could have made them more convincing losses. We needed a couple of trick plays to score the 2 first half TDs against FL to get that lead everyone talks about us later losing. Without those plays their defense was really giving us fits. Against Bama I think our fans consistently underestimate the advantage we got from coming off a bye while Bama was playing their 8th game in a row. I think that may have been worth 2 scores in our favor.

Overall, Butch has done a great job of rebuilding our roster, and I expect this to be the best team we've had in a decade and maybe our best team since 2001. There is a lot of talent on this team and a lot to be excited about. It wouldn't surprise me to see us win 11 games, and I think there is an outside shot that we could even go undefeated (though that is extremely hard to do). For the first time since the Fulmer era, I look at our schedule and think we have a legitimate shot in every game.

Having said that, here are my reasons for predicting a 10-2 regular season rather than 11-1 or 12-0.

1.) We lack depth at DT. Right now we have 3 DTs we can count on in Vickers, O'Brien, and McKenzie. Picou is still a project, Tuttle and Johnson are still question marks in my mind, and as much as VN loves Paul Bain, I'm going to have see it to believe it with a walk-on playing in the trenches in the SEC. Other than these guys, we're looking at moving DEs over to DT because the coaches know we need more bodies. If everything falls into place, we could end up being fine here, but one injury combined with Tuttle and/or Johnson struggling to regain form could leave us in a bad place.

2.) Depth at LB. JRM and Kirkland give us a very dynamic starting duo, but if either of them gets injured (or just needs a breather) there seems to be a BIG drop-off from 1st to 2nd string at that position.

3.) I don't trust our passing game.

4.) OT. We were already lacking depth here before Hall got injured. Him being out only makes it worse. Richmond has a very high ceiling, bus as a RsFR he's probably still a couple of years away from hitting it. He may be good this year, but I think he will also go through some growing pains against the better D-lines we face. And while Brett Kendrick is a nice player, I don't think he's an upper-level OT in the SEC.

5.) This one may be a bit of a stretch, but depth at RB. We could lose a star-caliber player in the secondary, at DE, or even OG and still be ok because we have star-caliber players waiting in the wings at those positions. I don't think that's the case at RB though. If Hurd or Kamara goes down, there's a huge drop-off. I like Kelly and Fils-Aimee, but those guys are no Hurd and Kamara. Our top two are irreplaceable. Before you bash me on this one, stop and think about it. If one of those guys goes out for an extended period of time, how does that affect our offense and our chances of winning big games? Given our inconsistency in the passing game, and how well those 2 players compliment one another, losing one of them would be really bad news.

When I look at our schedule, these question marks are enough to add up to 2 losses IMO. I think we're a top 10 team (which is tremendous progress considering where we were when Butch took over), but, primarily because of the lack of depth at the key positions mentioned above, I don't think we're a top 5 team. Not yet.

I agree with most of this, but really, tell me any of the teams in the top 10 right now that have greater RB/LB depth or maybe even OL depth besides AL and MAYBE Clemson in the OL department? So you could say basically the same thing about almost all the teams in the top 10... nothing is a sure thing, but we have as good of a chance than just about anyone else...
 
You all don't know how to act with a good team I see. 8-4 Last year was a joke of a season with that team. Under 12 wins is a disappointment period.

I see what you're saying, but if 8-4 was a joke with this team, who's to say the joke doesn't repeat itself this year? I mean, we still have question marks. Jones still has to prove some things coaching wise.
 
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I posted this in Patrick's recruiting thread but it looks like it's been relegated to the outer reaches of the forum. I thought you old-timers might like an update on his story.

Names to know in 2016: Part 1: Camion Patrick

What a long strange trip it's been for this young man. By the end of the season, he could be the starting running back for Indiana. Anybody who saw him run in high school won't be surprised. He looked to hit people after the catch. The dude is built and isn't afraid of contact.

I hope he has a long, successful career. The kid has been through a lot to get here.
 
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First, I picked us to go 8-4 last year while so many posters on here were saying we would win 10. I hit the nail on the head. The year before I said we would go 5-7 while many on here were saying we would win 8 or 9. I was off by one game. In Butch's first year I said we would go 5-7 while many were saying we should make a bowl game. Again, I hit the nail on the head, so I have a track record of being pretty accurate with my conservative predictions.

Also, I think you can look at those close losses last year and just as easily point to things that could have made them more convincing losses. We needed a couple of trick plays to score the 2 first half TDs against FL to get that lead everyone talks about us later losing. Without those plays their defense was really giving us fits. Against Bama I think our fans consistently underestimate the advantage we got from coming off a bye while Bama was playing their 8th game in a row. I think that may have been worth 2 scores in our favor.

Overall, Butch has done a great job of rebuilding our roster, and I expect this to be the best team we've had in a decade and maybe our best team since 2001. There is a lot of talent on this team and a lot to be excited about. It wouldn't surprise me to see us win 11 games, and I think there is an outside shot that we could even go undefeated (though that is extremely hard to do). For the first time since the Fulmer era, I look at our schedule and think we have a legitimate shot in every game.

Having said that, here are my reasons for predicting a 10-2 regular season rather than 11-1 or 12-0.

1.) We lack depth at DT. Right now we have 3 DTs we can count on in Vickers, O'Brien, and McKenzie. Picou is still a project, Tuttle and Johnson are still question marks in my mind, and as much as VN loves Paul Bain, I'm going to have see it to believe it with a walk-on playing in the trenches in the SEC. Other than these guys, we're looking at moving DEs over to DT because the coaches know we need more bodies. If everything falls into place, we could end up being fine here, but one injury combined with Tuttle and/or Johnson struggling to regain form could leave us in a bad place.

2.) Depth at LB. JRM and Kirkland give us a very dynamic starting duo, but if either of them gets injured (or just needs a breather) there seems to be a BIG drop-off from 1st to 2nd string at that position.

3.) I don't trust our passing game.

4.) OT. We were already lacking depth here before Hall got injured. Him being out only makes it worse. Richmond has a very high ceiling, bus as a RsFR he's probably still a couple of years away from hitting it. He may be good this year, but I think he will also go through some growing pains against the better D-lines we face. And while Brett Kendrick is a nice player, I don't think he's an upper-level OT in the SEC.

5.) This one may be a bit of a stretch, but depth at RB. We could lose a star-caliber player in the secondary, at DE, or even OG and still be ok because we have star-caliber players waiting in the wings at those positions. I don't think that's the case at RB though. If Hurd or Kamara goes down, there's a huge drop-off. I like Kelly and Fils-Aimee, but those guys are no Hurd and Kamara. Our top two are irreplaceable. Before you bash me on this one, stop and think about it. If one of those guys goes out for an extended period of time, how does that affect our offense and our chances of winning big games? Given our inconsistency in the passing game, and how well those 2 players compliment one another, losing one of them would be really bad news.

When I look at our schedule, these question marks are enough to add up to 2 losses IMO. I think we're a top 10 team (which is tremendous progress considering where we were when Butch took over), but, primarily because of the lack of depth at the key positions mentioned above, I don't think we're a top 5 team. Not yet.

Good post.
 
I posted this in Patrick's recruiting thread but it looks like it's been relegated to the outer reaches of the forum. I thought you old-timers might like an update on his story.

Lol my old posts in that thread reference him being as physical as a RB at WR. Super athlete
 
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I've been saying 11-1 since the beginning of 2016. I'm not changing that prediction either. I just think we are going to go to College State(Texas A&M) & lose in a close one on the final play of the game. It will be an A&M field goal that beats us 30-31. We're going to destroy UF. We're going to beat UGA comfortably.

We're going to slide by Bama by a 3-6 point margin. That 4 game gauntlet is just going to be a little too tough for us. We almost do it but playing Texas A&M away will be the killer. If this game was at home we would win it by 7-10 points.

This still wins us the East. We will be playing LSU in the SEC Championship game. We will beat LSU in a barnburner of a game. Both rushing attacks will be hard to stop but Dobbs will be the difference. We beat LSU 34-30.

That makes us 12-1 & gets us into the national title playoffs as a #3 or #4 seed. I say we lose the first game of the playoffs. Of course, it would depend on who we get.

If we get the #4 seed that's what I'm afraid of & we will be playing the #1 seed in somebody like Clemson or FSU or Notre Dame.

We can beat at least 2 of those teams but I don't think we can beat Clemson. I'm afraid Clemson will be the #1 seed so we go down in the first playoff game but in a close one like 23-24. 12-2 is a very good season. We do anything better than that then it's a fantastic season.

Of course, we could go 14-1 & still win the national title. That would be done by winning the SEC Championship game. Winning both playoff games to capture the title. That would be totally awesome & is a possibility with this team. I just think we come up a bit short.

BTW, I think Bama is going to suffer a bad season in 2016. They will go either 9-3 or 8-4 & I'm predicting they lose their opener to USC.

LSU will go either 10-2 or 11-1 like I'm predicting us. LSU will take the West. I even think Ole Miss and/or Texas A&M will possibly finish ahead of Bama in the West. They are highly overrated in 2016 in my opinion.

I think the 4 playoff teams will probably be us, Clemson, FSU, & either Notre Dame or Michigan. If Clemson was not to make it we have a solid chance of winning a national title. Of course, none of those games would be easy but I think having them out would help us tremendously. We can definitely beat FSU, Notre Dame, & Michigan. GO VOLS!
 
Can't wait to see all these first year QBs handle our blitz schemes. Won't see better players or DCs at practice. They better buckle their chin straps is all I can say. Lol

I am so ready to see some pressure defense.

It's always frustrating to see DCs sit back on 4th down situations late in games, fearing a mistake. When the mistake was already made by the defensive call.
 
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Y'all do the brake-pumping y'all want to.

My brakes are out, and I'm loving it. This Big Orange train is rolling downhill and picking up steam. And Bama and Florida are sitting on the tracks.
 
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