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engineerVOL said:
He needs to see next year as him being the mainstay at end.

Not to mention he would produce in a year he would otherwise sit out. Short sighted but I think he sticks it out.
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If I was him I'd stay regardless and be like a Tim Williams/DaShawn Hand deal - produce when I play then ball out as a junior and go pro.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I still want to see Butch and co. close out games, and I'm convinced that they will this year, but for those folks who think Jones really botched it last year in multiple games, why hasn't that been built into your expectations? If you think we should've been 10-2 at worst last year, does Bob Shoop really make that much of a difference? The buck stops at Jones, and if it's him who cost us games last year, he can do it again this year, right?
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It kinda seems like you're reaching to pin a lot on CBJ.

To me, the easiest breakdowns to find in the losses last year could be traced to the defense's breakdowns at critical times. By most accounts, Jones pretty well allows his DC to have a decent amount of freedom so that deficiency traces to Jancek.

He identified that deficiency, and by an almost unanimous opinion, upgraded that position in the organization with a guy who specifically addresses those shortcomings.


So no, I don't think "Jones botched it" last year, and yes, I think we will be better.
 
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WallyBalls said:
It kinda seems like you're reaching to pin a lot on CBJ.

To me, the easiest breakdowns to find in the losses last year could be traced to the defense's breakdowns at critical times. By most accounts, Jones pretty well allows his DC to have a decent amount of freedom so that deficiency traces to Jancek.

He identified that deficiency, and by an almost unanimous opinion, upgraded that position in the organization with a guy who specifically addresses those shortcomings.


So no, I don't think "Jones botched it" last year, and yes, I think we will be better.
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I agree that most of it isn't pinned to butch, but some of it is. Our biggest defensive breakdowns at critical times all came after 3-and-outs where the offense ran vanilla plays. In the Oklahoma and Florida games, we took big leads and then went absolutely vanilla on offense. Short drives, punt, defense. Short drives, punt defense.

The defense needs a breather from the offense running a sustained drive. In the Oklahoma game, 11 of the last twelve drives were 6 plays or less. At Florida, 5 of the last 7 were 5 plays or less. We were not being effective at offense when we were ahead, and I think that is because we started playing to run out the clock rather than to move the ball. Who made that halftime decision?
 
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itsme said:
I do like that at the DT spot Danny O and Vickers are listed as starters even though we know the younguns are getting more reps during the game. They seem to have worked hard during their years here.
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I have been thinking Vickers is a senior, but he isn't. He has another year left after this.
 
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This roster is loaded. As in locked and loaded.

Evan Berry should be on offense, not co-bracketed as second team safety.

I want to see them try to keep Gaulden off the field.

Callaway in the 2 deep as I expected. He can fly with a great pair of hands. Byrd is a no brainer back up at the slot. J-Smith will also see playing time outside.
 
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WallyBalls said:
It kinda seems like you're reaching to pin a lot on CBJ.

To me, the easiest breakdowns to find in the losses last year could be traced to the defense's breakdowns at critical times. By most accounts, Jones pretty well allows his DC to have a decent amount of freedom so that deficiency traces to Jancek.

He identified that deficiency, and by an almost unanimous opinion, upgraded that position in the organization with a guy who specifically addresses those shortcomings.


So no, I don't think "Jones botched it" last year, and yes, I think we will be better.
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I think you misunderstand me. I'm not trying to pin anything on Jones. I still think he has things to prove though, and I believe he will. But I'm trying to understand the mindset of people who blame him for the losses against OU and UF and point to two decisions in particular that were all on the head coach: kicking the early field goal against OU instead of stepping on their throat, and not going for 2 against UF.

Now, I don't think that's solely why we lost those games. But those are situations that are probably going to come up again this season. We are going to be in some close games and things might hinge on decisions from the head coach alone. If people thought he screwed up enough to cost us at least 2 wins last year, why are they predicting we will go 12-0 or 11-1 now?
 
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Vols4us said:
This roster is loaded. As in locked and loaded.

Evan Berry should be on offense, not co-bracketed as second team safety.

I want to see them try to keep Gaulden off the field.

Callaway in the 2 deep as I expected. He can fly with a great pair of hands. Byrd is a no brainer back up at the slot. J-Smith will also see playing time outside.
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I agree about Berry. If he isn't going to contribute, find a way to put the ball in his hands, even if it is doing a sweep to him a few times a game.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not trying to pin anything on Jones. I still think he has things to prove though, and I believe he will. But I'm trying to understand the mindset of people who blame him for the losses against OU and UF and point to two decisions in particular that were all on the head coach: kicking the early field goal against OU instead of stepping on their throat, and not going for 2 against UF.

Now, I don't think that's solely why we lost those games. But those are situations that are probably going to come up again this season. We are going to be in some close games and things might hinge on decisions from the head coach alone. If people thought he screwed up enough to cost us at least 2 wins last year, why are they predicting we will go 12-0 or 11-1 now?
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Just look at the Northwestern game if you want to see the change. One announcer started to say that Jones should maybe back off because the game was so out of hand and the other pointed out the games we'd had before where teams came back. The first announcer then changed his mind about us backing off a bit.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not trying to pin anything on Jones. I still think he has things to prove though, and I believe he will. But I'm trying to understand the mindset of people who blame him for the losses against OU and UF and point to two decisions in particular that were all on the head coach: kicking the early field goal against OU instead of stepping on their throat, and not going for 2 against UF.

Now, I don't think that's solely why we lost those games. But those are situations that are probably going to come up again this season. We are going to be in some close games and things might hinge on decisions from the head coach alone. If people thought he screwed up enough to cost us at least 2 wins last year, why are they predicting we will go 12-0 or 11-1 now?
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Ah, I see a little better what you meant.

I imagine anyone who picks those two instances out (the Oklahoma FG and the 2pt against UF) as crippling blows to a team then turns around and predicts 11-1 or better are just the overly emotional types who can't ground themselves enough to clearly look at a season.

There are reasons they could get 11+ wins, and there are reasons they might not, but those two things aren't high up on the list.
 
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WallyBalls said:
Ah, I see a little better what you meant.

I imagine anyone who picks those two instances out (the Oklahoma FG and the 2pt against UF) as crippling blows to a team then turns around and predicts 11-1 or better are just the overly emotional types who can't ground themselves enough to clearly look at a season.

There are reasons they could get 11+ wins, and there are reasons they might not, but those two things aren't high up on the list.
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I mostly agree with this.

We could've and should've beaten Florida the last two years, but that's on the players, as well. In spite of the fact that Muschamp was not a tremendously effective head coach, his teams tended to have a whole mess of talent, especially on defense. On the other hand, Tennessee was in total flux; there was stability at UGA, at South Carolina, at LSU, at Bama, etc. This year Florida is STILL talented, but I actually think the Vols have more talent overall and that they finally have enough stability where the talent should be enough to beat the Gators.

But I also recognize there are a lot of intangibles to any game and plenty of things you can point to after the fact, so if Tennessee is good enough to win 10 regular season games, I'm going to be hard-pressed to complain. No one expected Florida to win the East last season -- a few people even said they could dip as low as 6-6. They overachieved then, and they have enough talent to overachieve this year.

That said, just trying to look at this as objectively as I can, which is really, really hard given the luck and missed assignments and blown calls we've had in the series, Tennessee ought to win the Florida game.
 
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