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nicksjuzunk said:
Picked up this nugget of truth from the FF

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LSU was ranked 5th in the Pre Season. Stanford was 8, Notre Dame was ranked 10th, just behind us. Ole Miss 11th. TCU was ranked 13th...

But I guess Jones and Tennessee are the only team in the country who didn't meet expectations.
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LSU fired their NC winning coach.
Kelly on the hottest seat in the country( also, when is ND not top 10)

Patterson has built some substantial credit.

Same for Shaw.

Freeze should be getting heat. Haven't paid attention.
 
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"Coach in the sorry ass Big 12 with still very little expectations or have to compete in the SEC. No."

-Patterson to Leb
 
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WarMachine said:
What do you guys think was the primary problem with the defense this year? In particular, how do you think Bob Shoop failed to produce his normal kind of results with arguably significantly better talent?

Did Butch interfere?
Did Shoop spend too much time teaching/investing in starters who got injured?
Did Shoop need more freedom to hire his own position coaches?

Any takers on these questions? I personally would like to see Shoop have another season or two to get this ball rolling. There is no way he produces at Vandy and Penn State and suddenly becomes terrible when he comes to Tennessee.
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Maybe he had smarter, but less athletic players at Vandy and Penn State that were able to make more plays because they were in the right spots more often.

Edit- To add to that I would say #2 is more likely. I think coming in new and not having his own coordinators, they had to spend more time prepping the starters to learn the system, and once they all went down hurt we were left with the product we saw the last half of the season.
 
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MCScots4 said:
Maybe he had smarter, but less athletic players at Vandy and Penn State that were able to make more plays because they were in the right spots more often.

Edit- To add to that I would say #2 is more likely. I think coming in new and not having his own coordinators, they had to spend more time prepping the starters to learn the system, and once they all went down hurt we were left with the product we saw the last half of the season.
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:hi: Thanks!

Any other perspectives?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Take a look around the SEC guys.

Where are recruits heading? Florida has no juice on the recruiting trail, Malzahn's seat is still warmer than Butch's, South Carolina isn't killing it, Ole Miss is dead on the trail, Miss State isn't a threat on the trail, Sumlin is back on the hot seat.

My point is that it's not as bad as it seems from a recruiting perspective. Smart is still getting the new coach bump on the trail and Bama and LSU always get theirs but what else is new? We may not be smoking hot but there's not really any smoking hot options out there for kids that want to play in the SEC.
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And that is why we have seen more and more kids want to go to an easier conference (Clemson, OHST, Mich) so they can play a few tough games a year, rack up stats, get to the playoffs and draft high...
 
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volinbama256 said:
And that is why we have seen more and more kids want to go to an easier conference (Clemson, OHST, Mich) so they can play a few tough games a year, rack up stats, get to the playoffs and draft high...
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That's not why Clemson ohio state and Michigan are recruiting well.
 
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I figure more than a few of our players will be drafted in the NFL,so that looks good on the coach and VOLS.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
As far as the injuries, I think we are going continue to see them unless we get depth like Alabama. They can plug their 5 star 3rd stringer in and not miss a beat giving everyone necessary rest.
UF was banged up, LSU was, a lot of programs had significant injuries.
My uncle is a doc, and former D1 linebacker for Marshall. He works in ortho and works with a lot of athletes and is a firm believer that the muscles have far surpassed the ligaments and tendons from a developement pov. Right down to hs training programs being more strenuous and developed, avail OTC growth supplements, and the hormones and products in the food we eat.
You take all of that, along with a gauntlet of SEC schedule and a semi tough OOC schedule, and kids that play all out, injuries are gonna happen!! UNLESS, you have the depth of a team like Bama. Plain and simple.
With depth like that, there's no need for Cam Sutton to be on special teams, no need for JRM to be in a game late and tired, no need for Oline to start a game already banged up, and so on.
Preaching to choir I know, but that's the only way injuries are not going to be an issue.
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Bama hasn't experienced significant injuries over the years. They lost one starter on defense this year and it was a broken bone. They are doing something right.

I say we hire Vanderbilt's strength coach. Only had one injured player (who was injured preseason) miss our game.

They also play excellent defense and are strong up front.
 
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WarMachine said:
What do you guys think was the primary problem with the defense this year? In particular, how do you think Bob Shoop failed to produce his normal kind of results with arguably significantly better talent?

Did Butch interfere?
Did Shoop spend too much time teaching/investing in starters who got injured?
Did Shoop need more freedom to hire his own position coaches?

Any takers on these questions? I personally would like to see Shoop have another season or two to get this ball rolling. There is no way he produces at Vandy and Penn State and suddenly becomes terrible when he comes to Tennessee.
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The answer is yes to all of those questions.
 
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The season's at Notre Dame, Oregon and Ole Miss are in no way comparable to ours.

Those three were bottom falling out situations where they aren't even bowling.

Ours is much more like LSU and Stanford.
 
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No way would Butch be fired-- we are top 25, going to a bowl. The season was disappointing but we are still better than we've been in years.

He may choose to leave because the media ridicules him and the fans are being rude.

He seems to have high blood pressure. (urban Meyers)
 
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volinbama256 said:
And that is why we have seen more and more kids want to go to an easier conference (Clemson, OHST, Mich) so they can play a few tough games a year, rack up stats, get to the playoffs and draft high...
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Those teams are recruiting well because they are having success on the field and have coaching staff that develops players into NFL prospects.

The UT staff isn't developing talent and is squandering opportunities to win on the field.

No surprise to see recruiting suffer this year. Absent a turn around next year, recruiting is likely to decline even more.
 
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WarMachine said:
What do you guys think was the primary problem with the defense this year? In particular, how do you think Bob Shoop failed to produce his normal kind of results with arguably significantly better talent?

Did Butch interfere?
Did Shoop spend too much time teaching/investing in starters who got injured?
Did Shoop need more freedom to hire his own position coaches?

Any takers on these questions? I personally would like to see Shoop have another season or two to get this ball rolling. There is no way he produces at Vandy and Penn State and suddenly becomes terrible when he comes to Tennessee.
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I don't know about Butch interfering - that's just fan speculation based on a comment by VFL34. We have no frame of reference here. Could be true, could be false, and we have no idea of what amount of involvement is typical for a head coach - especially for a defense in a death spiral.

If I had to guess, I'd say your second item is really close to the truth. I think Shoop spent the bulk of his time teaching his scheme to the starters in an effort to bridge the gap between DCs as quickly as possible. When nearly all of the starters went down to injury, we had to lean on players who were less talented and unprepared. This was the result.

If this is true, we should see a big improvement on defense in the bowl game. A month of practice should do this team a lot of good, and it should also help several of our guys get healthy. Sutton, Foreman, Gaulden, TK, Abernathy, Kirkland were all playing at significantly less than 100% - and there were probably others that I don't know about.

I'm not sure Shoop needs to hire "his own guys" on defense. To be candid, I just think we need better coaches, period. There is nobody on this defense that I could say with 100% confidence is substantially better than they were when they got here. Some were good already, like Barnett and Sutton. But I can't point at a single player on any level of the defense and say, without a shred of doubt, "This player has improved because of his coach." Maybe Vickers, or DOB before he left. But the list is short.

The curious thing is that there are many examples of players who have grown on offense - even under position coaches who are commonly reviled by the fanbase. Say what you want about Mahoney, but his guys develop.
 
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JCP201 said:
No way would Butch be fired-- we are top 25, going to a bowl. The season was disappointing but we are still better than we've been in years.

He may choose to leave because the media ridicules him and the fans are being rude.

He seems to have high blood pressure.
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yep as bad as some want to make it seem, we are tier 2 in the sec with lsu, a&m, florida, auburn, georgia etc looking up at bama who has the best team theyve had during the most dominant dynasty in cfb history. the sky is not falling. after we sign a top 15 class, hire some assistants, and see jg looking like mariota in the spring game we will probably raise expectations through the roof as usual.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Bama hasn't experienced significant injuries over the years. They lost one starter on defense this year and it was a broken bone. They are doing something right.

I say we hire Vanderbilt's strength coach. Only had one injured player (who was injured preseason) miss our game.

They also play excellent defense and are strong up front.
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P.E.D.s
 
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unioncityvol said:
yep as bad as some want to make it seem, we are tier 2 in the sec with lsu, a&m, florida, auburn, georgia etc looking up at bama who has the best team theyve had during the most dominant dynasty in cfb history. the sky is not falling. after we sign a top 15 class, hire some assistants, and see jg looking like mariota in the spring game we will probably raise expectations through the roof as usual.
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You see top 15?
 
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unioncityvol said:
yep as bad as some want to make it seem, we are tier 2 in the sec with lsu, a&m, florida, auburn, georgia etc looking up at bama who has the best team theyve had during the most dominant dynasty in cfb history. the sky is not falling. after we sign a top 15 class, hire some assistants, and see jg looking like mariota in the spring game we will probably raise expectations through the roof as usual.
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We lost to 2 bottom of the barrel SEC teams this season. Hard to argue we are near the top of the SEC with losses to USuCk and Candy in the same season. We are 2-2 vs. Candy under Jones. That's almost a terminal offense in and of itself.
 
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