Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXX

[BigZiti09]

They do. Trace Armstrong is his name. Also the agent of Urban Meyer.

 

[NMVol]

Do Jones and Herman have the same agent? Herman's agent sure made an ass out of himself with LSU.

You're talking about the LSU that all but had Jimbo hired last year? Not sure this is all one sided. What are FSU fan's saying about Jimbo playing with jumping ship?

 

[orange parmejohn]

I think that Butch letting these rumors swirl without stamping them out is a good sign that he is shopping himself around. Question marks around a coach's future is never good for recruiting.

 

[SergeantVol]

Hire me as the S&C coach. 😆😆😆😆

You take care of the quick twitch, explosive training and I'll do endurance. Seen too many ex college football players in the Army that lacked endurance. I'll make them look like they are hanging roids without them actually taking them.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

We lost to 2 bottom of the barrel SEC teams this season. Hard to argue we are near the top of the SEC with losses to USuCk and Candy in the same season. We are 2-2 vs. Candy under Jones. That's almost a terminal offense in and of itself.

Yes and still second tier. Every SEC that isn't Bama has bad losses whether opponent or score.

 

[McGeesPub]

To me, that's the most terrifying thing about losing Butch. LSU fired a coach with a career winning % of 72% and replaced him with a coach with a career winning % of 42%. Hard to get my head around that one.

The last 3 UT coaching hires have been:

Kiffin: 4-16 as a head coach in the NFL and had never been a head coach in college. Went 7-6 in one season at UT and has a 60% winning % as a college head coach.

Dooley: 17-20 as a head coach prior to UT and went 15-21 at UT.

Jones: was 50-27 as a head coach prior to UT. He's 29-21 over his tenure here and 17-8 over the last 2 years.

Are we sure they could get someone better than Jones if they let him go? That's the entire question to me. As disappointing as this year has been if they force Jones out they have to get someone better and I doubt they would.

I think it's a fallacy to think that just because LSU seems to have made a questionable hire, UT would, or would at least have undesirable options.

LSU jumped the gun when Herman spurned them. They had more time do look. Doesn't mean that they had to go in the direction of O. It likely just means that their mediocre AD made a mediocre hire.

 

[St. JohnVolCactus]

The season's at Notre Dame, Oregon and Ole Miss are in no way comparable to ours.

Those three were bottom falling out situations where they aren't even bowling.

Ours is much more like LSU and Stanford.

Or, Washington. Our two programs were compared along side the other several times during the pre-season.

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

We beat both FL and jawja this year, which makes up for 8-4 record to an extent for me. Vandy really isn't that bad this year, and if we had blown them out I think we would see less fire under Butch. We need Butch under serious pressure to find out how he can really do. Next year we will find out if Butch is the guy for us, since winning the east is definitely doable next year. We'll have a veteran team, and even though we'll have a new QB (and very talented) that historically hasn't been an issue for championship teams. This year was a disappointment no doubt, but it was enthralling until our players started falling out, and if we make some position coach changes and instill a more disciplined mindset I think our floor next year is 8-4. Schedule isn't too bad and we get the bye at a pretty good time.

 

[SeanJean]

We'll have a veteran team

How do you figure?

 

[McGeesPub]

We beat both FL and jawja this year, which makes up for 8-4 record to an extent for me. Vandy really isn't that bad this year, and if we had blown them out I think we would see less fire under Butch. We need Butch under serious pressure to find out how he can really do. Next year we will find out if Butch is the guy for us, since winning the east is definitely doable next year. We'll have a veteran team, and even though we'll have a new QB (and very talented) that historically hasn't been an issue for championship teams. This year was a disappointment no doubt, but it was enthralling until our players started falling out, and if we make some position coach changes and instill a more disciplined mindset I think our floor next year is 8-4. Schedule isn't too bad and we get the bye at a pretty good time.

The problem is- and let me go ahead and say that I think it is a virtual certainty that Jones is here next year, is we have multiple examples of Butch acting under pressure, and not many of them are positive.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Do Jones and Herman have the same agent? Herman's agent sure made an ass out of himself with LSU.

How so? He got what he wanted out of it. Texas to get off their butt and make a move

 

[WebbCobb]

To me, that's the most terrifying thing about losing Butch. LSU fired a coach with a career winning % of 72% and replaced him with a coach with a career winning % of 42%. Hard to get my head around that one.

The last 3 UT coaching hires have been:

Kiffin: 4-16 as a head coach in the NFL and had never been a head coach in college. Went 7-6 in one season at UT and has a 60% winning % as a college head coach.

Dooley: 17-20 as a head coach prior to UT and went 15-21 at UT.

Jones: was 50-27 as a head coach prior to UT. He's 29-21 over his tenure here and 17-8 over the last 2 years.

Are we sure they could get someone better than Jones if they let him go? That's the entire question to me. As disappointing as this year has been if they force Jones out they have to get someone better and I doubt they would.

Exactly. The point of firing someone is not to get rid of them (despite how good it might feel). It is to get someone better in that person's place.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

They do. Trace Armstrong is his name. Also the agent of Urban Meyer.

He's a Gator and a Pompous Ass. I don't know many that like or respect him in Tampa.

 

[The Breakerboy]

You take care of the quick twitch, explosive training and I'll do endurance. Seen too many ex college football players in the Army that lacked endurance. I'll make them look like they are hanging roids without them actually taking them.

We won't run out of gas. Lol Got the Bengals, Cardinals and Steelers offseason splits on deck. 😎😎😎😎😎

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Or, Washington. Our two programs were compared along side the other several times during the pre-season.

They undoubtedly have a better coach. Their coach is also top 4 in all of college football.

They also escaped injuries. When they played the one team that had SEC/BIG talent they were dominated however and will lose to Bama in first round of playoffs much like Michigan State last year.

I hope they lose and Michigan gets Bama in round 1.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

How do you figure?

OL, DL, LB, DB, TE, WR (unless Malone leaves), ST.

We'll be inexperienced at QB and RB.

 

[unioncityvol]

They undoubtedly have a better coach. Their coach is also top 4 in all of college football.

They also escaped injuries. When they played the one team that had SEC/BIG talent they were dominated however and will lose to Bama in first round of playoffs much like Michigan State last year.

I hope they lose and Michigan gets Bama in round 1.

washington did lose their best linebacker. azeem victor. but yea

 

[McGeesPub]

OL, DL, LB, DB, TE, WR (unless Malone leaves), ST.

We'll be inexperienced at QB and RB.

Veteran, maybe, but worse at DL, LB and DB, especially from where we were at the beginning of the year. The backups getting reps doesn't impress me much when those reps have been beyond horrible.

 

[Glitch]

What do you guys think was the primary problem with the defense this year? In particular, how do you think Bob Shoop failed to produce his normal kind of results with arguably significantly better talent?

Did Butch interfere?
Did Shoop spend too much time teaching/investing in starters who got injured?
Did Shoop need more freedom to hire his own position coaches?

Any takers on these questions? I personally would like to see Shoop have another season or two to get this ball rolling. There is no way he produces at Vandy and Penn State and suddenly becomes terrible when he comes to Tennessee.

I think the loss of key leaders, the lack of depth, and pretty much everyone playing banged up is what led to the performances we saw in the last half of the season. I think players were still adjusting to Shoop's style during the first half of the season. However, when I rewatch some of the games from early in the season like VT and UF I see a defense that was fast and smothering in at least half of a game. I think that even with the loss of seniors and Barnett the defense will be better next year. They will have another year in Shoop's defense, they will have a chance to get healthy, and they will have a chance to correct some fundamentals that seem to have been lost. I do think some position coach changes are warranted. This and Martinez would be the sacrificial lambs on the defensive side IMO.

 

[SeanJean]

OL, DL, LB, DB, TE, WR (unless Malone leaves), ST.

We'll be inexperienced at QB and RB.

We'll be losing the best and most experienced players at every level of the defense. I'd hardly call whatever that depth chart looks like next year veteran. The most veteran guys will be what, Kirkland Jr. and.....TK?

Offense is a bit more "veteran," but it is also losing its most productive players and biggest leaders by far. It's also full of a lot of players that aren't that great *ahem OL*.

There will be a ton of question marks next year. This year's team was the veteran team. And it gave up 45 points to Vandy.

 

[BigZiti09]

We'll be losing the best and most experienced players at every level of the defense. I'd hardly call whatever that depth chart looks like next year veteran. The most veteran guys will be what, Kirkland Jr. and.....TK?

Offense is a bit more "veteran," but it is also losing its most productive players and biggest leaders by far. It's also full of a lot of players that aren't that great *ahem OL*.

There will be a ton of question marks next year. This year's team was the veteran team. And it gave up 45 points to Vandy.

Who exactly are you referring to besides Barnett on defense?

We played this season without JRM and CS. Played more than half the season without DOB.

 

[bignewt]

and without Kmac and ShyTut...

 

[SeanJean]

Who exactly are you referring to besides Barnett?

We played this season without JRM and CS. Played more than half the season without DOB.

Barnett, Vereen, DOB, JRM, CS, Foreman. Yeah a couple of those guys were out for a lot of games, but it showed. Our defense was hot garbage. They will all be gone from week 1 next year. I'm not exactly sure how that is encouraging.

 

[McGeesPub]

We'll be losing the best and most experienced players at every level of the defense. I'd hardly call whatever that depth chart looks like next year veteran. The most veteran guys will be what, Kirkland Jr. and.....TK?

Offense is a bit more "veteran," but it is also losing its most productive players and biggest leaders by far. It's also full of a lot of players that aren't that great *ahem OL*.

There will be a ton of question marks next year. This year's team was the veteran team. And it gave up 45 points to Vandy.

Sounds like the same logic where some said that despite losing all five starters of a very good offensive line in 2012, they thought the 2013 OL would be better.

There was one -ONE- good aspect of our defense this year, and he won't be back in 2017.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Next year's team is really solid except at DL and CB. It is unproven at QB, but there are three very talented guys there, surely at least one of them is a good player.