Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXI

[Mick]

Even though both are true?

Lot of good informative post coming from VN today. Thanks for relieving me of my ignorance about Fulmer. I thought he stepped up from OL coach. My bad.:good!:

 

[volatil]

Not worried about all these coaching changes. This is all on Butch. This is a pivotal moment in his career. He could make a huge improvement or could hire his Clawson/Sunseri.

I'm not going to freak out over names floated. I'm willing to wait and see how this plays out.

 

[theutvolunteers]

Not worried about all these coaching changes. This is all on Butch. This is a pivotal moment in his career. He could make a huge improvement or could hire his Clawson/Sunseri.

I'm not going to freak out over names floated. I'm willing to wait and see how this plays out.

I'm going to wait as well, but am concerned that I've seen this movie before.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Joker new WR coach at Cincy. I can't wait to see his updates Photoshop work.

Cal WR coach to Ole Miss. Ole Miss making some good hires despite being on NCAA hitlist. Vic Wharton to transfer again in 1.....2......

Meanwhile Uncle Rico has a good shot at TN QB coach as anyone at this point

 

[LynxVol]

For those interested in the Mostella news:

Some more on this situation, from sources:

The dismissal wasn't academics and it didn't follow an arrest, so from the context, it seems like Mostella simply ran out of strikes and was booted for something relatively minor.

Based on Detrick's posts on snapchat, it appears he's already headed back to Alabama (Decatur native).

Was told tonight that Tennessee will help him land at his next school. So Vols aren't completely hanging the kid out to dry.

The News Sentinel is reporting this morning that Detrick Mostella "has been cited to court for possession of drug paraphernalia, according to court records."

That is consistent with what I was told last night. It wasn't a grade problem, and it didn't follow an arrest. So the citation was the last straw for Mostella. Shame for him and for this basketball team. I think he needed Barnes and Tennessee badly. Seemed to be turning a corner in his basketball career.

We'll see where he lands from here. Tennessee will assist him in landing at his next stop.

- 247 (Ramey)

 

[butchna]

Every qb has more playcalling experience than WR or TE. It's miniscule, but it's there. You have to know the entire playback and what everyone in the field is doing on every play, just like an OC has to do. You have to diagnose the entire defense, not just the few in front of you, just like an OC has to do. Which in no way is a legit qualification to be an OC, but it's 1% better than someone who's never done it.

Which was my whole point, Scott doesn't even have that 1%.

Point still remains. Tee had no OC experience and represented well. Fulmer didn't and same. Cutcliffe didn't and same. Have no idea how Scott would do.

 

[butchna]

canales.....the good ol boy system. Butch's only way.

Yeah Shoop has vacationed with Butch for years. :boredom: Think Scott was at his wedding.

 

[WarMachine]

Thanks for all the updates Lynx!

 

[ob79]

- 247 (Brice)

So it takes the f'ing government to get this search into high gear?

Awesome.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

So with Thig most likely leaving now too, who are the top candidates for LB coach? Anyone know any names that Shoop has worked with in the past?

Looks like the defense assistants will be a clean sweep, which is a good thing. With how bad we looked on that side of the ball it was clear there were problems past just the injuries. If we can get the right guys in place I think we can still have a really good defense next year. Not near the potential of this years group but we still have quite a few talented players on that side of the ball.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Point still remains. Tee had no OC experience and represented well. Fulmer didn't and same. Cutcliffe didn't and same. Have no idea how Scott would do.

His QB having an advantage is kinda overblown to an extent. Scott has been an interim Head Coach. He's had much more hands on experience game planning than any former QB with no OC experience. Pretty sure he knows fronts and coverages being that TE is more complicated now than it's ever been. I would bet he is an extremely balanced play caller too. Excited to see him call plays and create matchups.

 

[Glitch]

I don't like carp but I don't think you have to censor it.

Carp are the devil IMO.

 

[jave36]

Not sure why he thinks only QBs can be successful OCs.

Debord was an OL/TE guy. Bert Beliema was not a QB. Neither was Fulmer. Dan Mullen played TE in college then coaches WRs and eventually randomly became QB coach, Jeff Scott/Elliot Clemson combo were WRs in college that coaches WRs and RBs, I'm sure there are more.

You probably prefer a QB guru to call plays but it doesn't mean they are more successful than a OL/TE guy.

Reasons to worry about Scott but it's not because he wasn't a QB. Worry because he is inexperienced play caller. Maybe he will use our TEs more

Rofl, read man. I never said QBs are the only ones that can a be good OC. All I said was Scott has never called plays, not even in the huddle like a QB does, which would only count for an infinitesimal amount of experience calling plays in the first place. It was a humorous way of saying he doesnt even have experience calling plays in ways that don't matter, let alone ways that do matter.

 

[jave36]

Azzanni has been trying to leave/get a better title for like 3 years and no one wants him.

Martinez is gonna get fired and his best landing spot is GA Southern.

And Thig wants to go back to UNC, but Fedora doesn't want him.

Oh, and Jancek didn't get a ride to Eugene with Taggart either (at least not yet).

Yeah...I'm all for staff upgrades at this point. It's pretty clear that most of Butch's original staff was comprised of dudes who aren't very well respected in coaching circles.

Hard to argue that.

 

[Glitch]

So it takes the f'ing government to get this search into high gear?

Awesome.

Found video of the action.

 

[bignewt]

Rofl, read man. I never said QBs are the only ones that can a be good OC. All I said was Scott has never called plays, not even in the huddle like a QB does, which would only count for an infinitesimal amount of experience calling plays in the first place. It was a humorous way of saying he doesnt even have experience calling plays in ways that don't matter, let alone ways that do matter.

Not humorous though?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

So with Thig most likely leaving now too, who are the top candidates for LB coach? Anyone know any names that Shoop has worked with in the past?

Looks like the defense assistants will be a clean sweep, which is a good thing. With how bad we looked on that side of the ball it was clear there were problems past just the injuries. If we can get the right guys in place I think we can still have a really good defense next year. Not near the potential of this years group but we still have quite a few talented players on that side of the ball.

Pony up and go steal Alabamas from them

 

[bignewt]

Pony up and go steal Alabamas from them

Haven't we done that before?

 

[Dust10]

Does Thig get fired if he wants UNC, but they don't want him?

I probably would. He's obviously not invested in UT anymore if that is the case.

 

[jave36]

Point still remains. Tee had no OC experience and represented well. Fulmer didn't and same. Cutcliffe didn't and same. Have no idea how Scott would do.

There are plenty of examples of first timers doing well, but plenty more of the opposite. It's like saying "JJ Watt and Eric Fisher were 2 stars so we should take 2* recruits over a 4 or 5*." A proven, excellent play caller is always a better choice than a first timer. You can always find exceptions, but history says the 5* guys outperform the 2* guys most of the time.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

So with Thig most likely leaving now too, who are the top candidates for LB coach? Anyone know any names that Shoop has worked with in the past?

Looks like the defense assistants will be a clean sweep, which is a good thing. With how bad we looked on that side of the ball it was clear there were problems past just the injuries. If we can get the right guys in place I think we can still have a really good defense next year. Not near the potential of this years group but we still have quite a few talented players on that side of the ball.

Well..... Peter Sirmon jus got fired at Mississippi State after 1 year as their DC. Lol.

 

[jave36]

Not humorous though?

I'll try to make my jokes more troll friendly for you from now on

 

[WallyBalls]

So it takes the f'ing government to get this search into high gear?

Awesome.

Yep.

To be honest, I think UT is far from the only school that will have issues like these. Maybe they won't show up in AD searches, but similar disconnects will show up.

Over the last decade colleges and universities (and particularly their administrations) have grown into these corpulent, insulated Jabba the Hutt type beings that exist in their own little world. Constantly binging on tuition and "fees" supported by almost limitless student loans, the only thing that gets them to move quickly is any sort of threat to their precious funding, and even then that can be questionable. In the mean time they create countless "student services", needless Offices of [insert cause here], and spend insane amounts of money on "student life amenities" (lazy rivers, 40 person hot tubs, napping pods, steakhouses, etc).

Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine.

 

[bignewt]

I'll try to make my jokes more troll friendly for you from now on

Troll? First time for everything I guess. lol:

 

[Ron Swanson]

Well..... Peter Sirmon jus got fired at Mississippi State after 1 year as their DC. Lol.

I believe his family still lives in Nashville. It's all happening…