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volinbama256 said:
thanks, but you missed my point, I know he's not being considered for OC or QBs, I meant Butch moving away from someone that is relevant and could add a spark, and going with someone irrelevant like Canales..... several articles said Wienke and Canales were shooting for the same job...
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I got the point you were trying to make, you just aren't making it well lol

As for Welker no longer being in consideration, we just don't know if that's the case yet. He was interviewed like 2 days ago, so you're jumping the gun a bit there.


I do agree with your point about going with a guy like Canales being disappointing and probably not bringing anything to the table that gives us an edge compared to any other SEC team.


I'd say it does feel like the Weinke and O'Connel interviews have mostly just been done so Butch can point out a few "NFL guys" he kicked the tires on whilst simultaneously going with someone with more experience.

Weinke and O'Connel have upside, sure. But (hypothetically at least) you can't really blame Butch for wanting to hire someone with more than one season experience as a QB coach to his name.


If the the QB coach was truly wide open and Butch didn't already have his guy in mind, he'd be interviewing guys in higher demand with a more proven track record than Weinke and O'Connel along with Canales.
 
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bignewt said:
Not really but I choose to be optimistic and not cry about it at 9 in the morning. It either gets better or it gets blown up. I bet you sat on Santa's lap and complained about all the toys you didn't get the year before.
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I'm simply giving my opinion on where this program is headed with these types of hires and you choose to spout off and shoot smart ass sarcastic digs because you don't agree... it actually looks like you are the child with the way you comment/respond, hiding behind your keyboard... I bet all the neighborhood kids took your toys and bullied you-- so now you get some sort of fulfillment by spouting off... cool, keep it up if it gets you through the day.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I got the point you were trying to make, you just aren't making it well lol

As for Welker no longer being in consideration, we just don't know if that's the case yet. He was interviewed like 2 days ago, so you're jumping the gun a bit there.


I do agree with your point about going with a guy like Canales being disappointing and probably not bringing anything to the table that gives us an edge compared to any other SEC team.


I'd say it does feel like the Weinke and O'Connel interviews have mostly just been done so Butch can point out a few "NFL guys" he kicked the tires on whilst simultaneously going with someone with more experience.

Weinke and O'Connel have upside, sure. But (hypothetically at least) you can't really blame Butch for wanting to hire someone with more than one season experience as a QB coach to his name.


If the the QB coach was truly wide open and Butch didn't already have his guy in mind, he'd be interviewing guys in higher demand with a more proven track record than Weinke and O'Connel along with Canales.
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I can agree with this... I think I am more concerned/putting more emphasis with where recruiting his headed and am thinking about what ways we can get a spark back in the program to push kids our way. We really have nothing to sell right now and Butch's coach speak has fizzled.... someone like Wienke has enough experience, but could also potentially bring a recruiting spark we so desperately need at this point. We can debate all day about which coaches would be a better fit, but if we can't get the talent, it will be all for nothing.
 
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volinbama256 said:
I'm simply giving my opinion on where this program is headed with these types of hires and you choose to spout off and shoot smart ass sarcastic digs because you don't agree... it actually looks like you are the child with the way you comment/respond, hiding behind your keyboard... I bet all the neighborhood kids took your toys and bullied you-- so now you get some sort of fulfillment by spouting off... cool, keep it up if it gets you through the day.
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Ok dude, you are the one spouting off...is there a reason to give an opinion more than once if it never changes? We get it you hate the staff and want everyone fired. Maybe we should just sticky that and then you can go on about your day trying to catch those pesky smurfs?
 
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Hate to hear about OH logging in this morning. RIP, Lost another good one way too young. My prayers go out to his whole family and friends.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Your top 10 is a joke and this is coming from someone who invests way more time in the draft than you do.
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How come? Have you not followed the draft before?

How often do the top 10 picks ultimately end up being the 10 best players?

Never. That is how often the top 10 picks end up being the 10 best players. My top 10 is not a prediction of the draft order. Its a prediction of how good the players ultimately become in the NFL. That is why I have guys like Evan Engram and Josh Dobbs in the top 10 eventhough they are at best 2nd-3rd round picks right now.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Hey, whatever happened to the chatter of Wes Welker? Did I miss something, or did Butch feel like he would be too good and relevant like Wienke, adding some excitement to recruiting and the fanbase and decide to go with some other old, vanilla, mediocre coach?
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You don't know? Butch slapped Wes's wife at the airport and proceeded to tell Wes that he has too big a name to be on staff.

"This is my show, and I don't appreciate you and Weinke taking my headlines" rang throughout TNS.

Butch will continue to attempt to kill Tennessee football despite the fact his winning percentage isn't declining like superstar coaches such as Freeze and McIlwain.
 
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I am shocked along with the rest of you about OH's passing. I always looked forward to his most informative post. My heart is sadden to lose a VolNation Brother. RIP OH we will miss you. :sad:
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
You don't know? Butch slapped Wes's wife at the airport and proceeded to tell Wes that he has too big a name to be on staff.

"This is my show, and I don't appreciate you and Weinke taking my headlines" rang throughout TNS.

Butch will continue to attempt to kill Tennessee football despite the fact his winning percentage isn't declining like superstar coaches such as Freeze and McIlwain.
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Oh you must be lost. The FF forum is that way ----------->

You will fit right in.
 
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There are two end result options for Butch and these hires.

He has a new AD coming in that did not hire him which is nerve racking for coaches.

A. He hires the names listed that the fans are not crazy about and makes the fans eat crow.

B. He hires the names listed the fans are not crazy about and falls flat on his face. This would be bad considering the AD situation.

These are the most important hires in his coaching career.

For some reason I'm not getting worked up over these hires. Maybe it's just me.
 
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volatil said:
There are two end result options for Butch and these hires.

He has a new AD coming in that did not hire him which is nerve racking for coaches.

A. He hires the names listed that the fans are not crazy about and makes the fans eat crow.

B. He hires the names listed the fans are not crazy about and falls flat on his face. This would be bad considering the AD situation.

These are the most important hires in his coaching career.

For some reason I'm not getting worked up over these hires. Maybe it's just me.
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S&C may end up being the most important hire, IMO.

On field coaching is the Butch and Shoop show. Butch is going to have his guys on offense, let Shoop get some of his guys and let's see what they can do.
 
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Dust10 said:
S&C may end up being the most important hire, IMO.

On field coaching is the Butch and Shoop show. Butch is going to have his guys on offense, let Shoop get some of his guys and let's see what they can do.
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I watched Hard Knocks with the Rams this year. Rock is well respected. Hopefully that translates here.
 
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volatil said:
I watched Hard Knocks with the Rams this year. Rock is well respected. Hopefully that translates here.
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Anytime you have a S&C that can go toe to toe with you while having a vast amount of more experience, that is easy to respect. I think the team will respond well.
 
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QB coach update?

"I'm still not convinced that Jones didn't interview someone yesterday. I think he may have talked to a coach from a smaller school, but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

Otherwise it's just been the three candidate that everyone has been discussing for the last 4-5 days.

I don't know that ones has found anyone he is in love with right now, which is why I don't know that the timetable for a hire is pending or immediate."

- Hubbs
 
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Ron Swanson said:
QB coach update?

"I'm still not convinced that Jones didn't interview someone yesterday. I think he may have talked to a coach from a smaller school, but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

Otherwise it's just been the three candidate that everyone has been discussing for the last 4-5 days.

I don't know that ones has found anyone he is in love with right now, which is why I don't know that the timetable for a hire is pending or immediate."

- Hubbs
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Makes me wonder if there is someone in particular he has in mind and is just waiting for some things to fall in place.
 
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Hmm I recall ESPN jumping in strong in the TN title ix witch hunt which included the lil Jon bullcrap. Guess who is all over ESPN lately representing the same song and NBA primetime? So is ESPN promoting a rape culture now?
 
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Poached from Freak's new thread in the FF since most of us rarely go there. I found this very interesting:

Football Looking at Josh Dobbs' stats
I was looking at Dobbs' stats this morning. A few numbers...

-Highest completion percentage in the SEC for quarterbacks with at least 300 attempts. (63%) Not bad for a guy labeled as "inaccurate."

-Highest QB rating (150.6)

-Led the conference in passing touchdowns (27)

-I was surprised to see he was sacked 25 times.

-Think about this: Dobbs was Tennessee's leading rusher in three out of the Vols' last four games (Nebraska, Missouri, Kentucky) and also against Virginia Tech earlier this year.

-He was 17th in the SEC in rushing (831 yards) and tied for 6th in rushing TDs (12)
 
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sigchig said:
Poached from Freak's new thread in the FF since most of us rarely go there. I found this very interesting:

Football Looking at Josh Dobbs' stats
I was looking at Dobbs' stats this morning. A few numbers...

-Highest completion percentage in the SEC for quarterbacks with at least 300 attempts. (63%) Not bad for a guy labeled as "inaccurate."

-Highest QB rating (150.6)

-Led the conference in passing touchdowns (27)

-I was surprised to see he was sacked 25 times.

-Think about this: Dobbs was Tennessee's leading rusher in three out of the Vols' last four games (Nebraska, Missouri, Kentucky) and also against Virginia Tech earlier this year.

-He was 17th in the SEC in rushing (831 yards) and tied for 6th in rushing TDs (12)
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Said it after the bowl game, he had a special year, and will be missed for sure. We had the best QB this year in the league....
 
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