Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[DefenseWins]

That picture though...

 

[GlockVol]

I used to like Dick Trickle.

(Until it happened to me.)

There are drugs for that. You won't like the side effects though.

 

[pismonque]

I used to like Dick Trickle.

(Until it happened to me.)

His cousin Cole was pretty good.

 

[bignewt]

10% is what I've seen thrown about. I've lost sales due to Tennessee state sales tax. It's significant. Maybe cap it on big ticket items.

Its not an additional tax its a replacement for a tax. Big difference.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I realize that. Problem is many Rich folk have ways to avoid paying taxes or at least minimize taxes by investment, purchasing things. A sales tax discourages this investment.

 

[Smokeytom]

For me, I’m just incredibly anti government. I don’t trust or believe anything politicians say, so I definitely don’t want to give them any more power than they already have.

 

[reVOLution33]

Imagine actually asking a question this stupid

poor people work their ass off. CEOs and upper level managers subsist off their labor. The least they can do is pay higher taxes so those with nothing can get proper treatment when they’re ill without having to worry about going bankrupt

There seems to be a campaign of vilifying the poor that's been persistent for ... as long as I can remember.

There are 'welfare queens' out there, but we shouldn't look at 5% of people gaming the system and punish the other 95% that truly depend on the social safety net. Wanting a fairer, more even playing field =/= wanting free hand-outs. Wanting a social safety net that can take care of the elderly, disabled, and vulnerable is more patriotic than a Libertarian dismantling of the safety net.

You’re right. That mindset drives me insane though

Not a political person but agree with so much of what you just said.
Me hiring many contractors over the years and being around their laborers so often, the "lazy" and "entitled" narratives, drive me crazy.
Way more hard working people that just don't have opportunities for livable wages than "welfare queens". Despite how many people paint it as the opposite.

Why I avoid the political forums.
VN posters that spend at least half of their work day posting on a FB site, grouping people with 2 jobs and scared to take a sick day, in the "lazy" category.
Ridiculous.

So, because someone is wealthy, and at least half of the time earned their claim to riches, they deserved to keep others afloat?

I came from a poor family. Parents divorced, both remarried. One continued to have money issues, the other worked their way up and succeeded from their previous situation. Only now is that person truly nearly set to retire. The other never got to the point of being able to retire wealthy because of life choices.

Yes, some people work their whole lives trying to reach the top and come short. Those people we should help. Most, either get a job and dont try to continue to improve their situation or only try enough to remain on welfare.

I know the world fairly well, as I have lived both sides of it. YOU make your situation what it is. Others shouldnt have to pay for your happiness.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

Yes, some people work their whole lives trying to reach the top and come short. Those people we should help.

This is only exactly what I'm saying. It also means tackling the root causes of WHY people come up short-- unaffordable medical expenses, sky-high childcare costs, and higher education that's becoming more and more expensive by the semester with lower and lower ROI.

Most, either get a job and dont try to continue to improve their situation or only try enough to remain on welfare.

And this is the demonization of the poor. You did this all in one paragraph.

Others shouldnt have to pay for your happiness.

Also, tell this to the wealthy who are benefiting the most from the Trump tax cuts.

 

[chargervol]

So, because someone is wealthy, and at least half of the time earned their claim to riches, they deserved to keep others afloat?

I came from a poor family. Parents divorced, both remarried. One continued to have money issues, the other worked their way up and succeeded from their previous situation. Only now is that person truly nearly set to retire. The other never got to the point of being able to retire wealthy because of life choices.

Yes, some people work their whole lives trying to reach the top and come short. Those people we should help. Most, either get a job and dont try to continue to improve their situation or only try enough to remain on welfare.

I know the world fairly well, as I have lived both sides of it. YOU make your situation what it is. Others shouldnt have to pay for your happiness.

2 things I'm convinced of.

1. I said nothing of making anyone pay, so quoting me made no sense.

2. If "most" of the people you know just wanted to get by and never improve, that tells me more about what kind of people that you were around than it tells me about most of the working class.

 

[DefenseWins]

So, because someone is wealthy, and at least half of the time earned their claim to riches, they deserved to keep others afloat?

I came from a poor family. Parents divorced, both remarried. One continued to have money issues, the other worked their way up and succeeded from their previous situation. Only now is that person truly nearly set to retire. The other never got to the point of being able to retire wealthy because of life choices.

Yes, some people work their whole lives trying to reach the top and come short. Those people we should help. Most, either get a job and dont try to continue to improve their situation or only try enough to remain on welfare.

I know the world fairly well, as I have lived both sides of it. YOU make your situation what it is. Others shouldnt have to pay for your happiness.

I think there is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. You are calling happiness being able to care for yourself or your kids and not go broke.

I guess I live in a fairytale land where I think fundamentally (even aside from your religious beliefs) that if you have extra you should help someone and if you don’t have what you need then you should be helped.
The ironic thought to me is, is that the same people (not saying you at all) that believe “these people only want me to pay for them so they don’t have to work” often are the same people that are incredibly prideful in there achievement and feel superior because of their tax bracket and might on a good day check their box because they gave to ______ all the while the people they are looking down on work harder for less than they do.

If America really cared about something like... people. Then no one in America would go to bed hungry.

I understand people cheat the system but don’t be so ignorant to think it’s only one way. The same people that cheat it not wanting to work, there is an equal (maybe more) amount of people cheating it for their financial gain because their security is in their bottom line and you don’t have to be a millionaire for that to be true.

 

[Ace]

The US has a spending problem and not a tax problem.
Too many career politicians getting rich while pitting citizens against one another. They spend our money to buy votes and then pad their pockets. Like Bernie Sanders using campaign funds to buy his own book. It does not matter the party, as long as the citizenry is divided the ruling class just keeps making more money.
It will take another revolution to fix it. Americans need to wake up and realize it is not Democrat’s versus Republicans. It is not about being Progressive, Liberal, Libertarian or Conservative . It is the US citizens versus an elitist lying, cheating political class.

 

[Smokeytom]

I think there is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. You are calling happiness being able to care for yourself or your kids and not go broke.

I guess I live in a fairytale land where I think fundamentally (even aside from your religious beliefs) that if you have extra you should help someone and if you don’t have what you need then you should be helped.
The ironic thought to me is, is that the same people (not saying you at all) that believe “these people only want me to pay for them so they don’t have to work” often are the same people that are incredibly prideful in there achievement and feel superior because of their tax bracket and might on a good day check their box because they gave to ______ all the while the people they are looking down on work harder for less than they do.

If America really cared about something like... people. Then no one in America would go to bed hungry.

I understand people cheat the system but don’t be so ignorant to think it’s only one way. The same people that cheat it not wanting to work, there is an equal (maybe more) amount of people cheating it for their financial gain because their security is in their bottom line and you don’t have to be a millionaire for that to be true.

I don’t think it’s an America “caring” issue. I think specifically within the 2 major parties, they each hold fundamentally different views as to what constitutes “help/welfare.” I think both sides (or the majority of people on each side st least maybe not the ones who have the megaphones) want to help those they perceive to be poor and innocent. However, with so much information in the palm of everyone’s hand, it gets tougher and tougher to reliably discern who the truly innocent poor even is. I definitely don’t believe the guy sitting in his badass office in D.C. has any better idea than the rest of us. Crazy complicated world we live in.

 

[Smokeytom]

Its also very hard to put trust in federal or state government after a few google searches of “government waste projects.”

It’s seriously pretty infuriating to read. Politicians have no clue of the value of a dollar. They prove time and time again that they should not be trusted to responsibly spend tax payer money.

 

[DefenseWins]

I don’t think it’s an America “caring” issue. I think specifically within the 2 major parties, they each hold fundamentally different views as to what constitutes “help/welfare.” I think both sides (or the majority of people on each side st least maybe not the ones who have the megaphones) want to help those they perceive to be poor and innocent. However, with so much information in the palm of everyone’s hand, it gets tougher and tougher to reliably discern who the truly innocent poor even is. I definitely don’t believe the guy sitting in his badass office in D.C. has any better idea than the rest of us. Crazy complicated world we live in.

It’s amazing to me a historical building that burned on ND campus got hundreds of millions to rebuild it so quickly.... but yet you don’t see that money coughed up for people in need... I understand it’s different but I don’t believe the heart issue is. It does send a loud message to people that buildings are more valuable than people.

I think that is one of the problems also, that we make this thing way too complicated. We try to be God and decide who is deserving and who isn’t... instead of just giving them food or clothes or whatever and trust that in the end atleast they have clothes and food. Or whatever the need is. I understand that it isn’t extremely simple in how the ground work and the functionality gets worked out but it doesn’t seem like either party really has much problem getting something started or atleast semi organized to make it atleast primal in operation.

However, I do understand your point.

 

[Ace]

I don’t think it’s an America “caring” issue. I think specifically within the 2 major parties, they each hold fundamentally different views as to what constitutes “help/welfare.” I think both sides (or the majority of people on each side st least maybe not the ones who have the megaphones) want to help those they perceive to be poor and innocent. However, with so much information in the palm of everyone’s hand, it gets tougher and tougher to reliably discern who the truly innocent poor even is. I definitely don’t believe the guy sitting in his badass office in D.C. has any better idea than the rest of us. Crazy complicated world we live in.

American people do care for and want the best for one another. Americans are generous and giving in times of need. Average Americans are charitable, we even see it here on VN when posters have helped other posters in need.

Majority of politicians want what is best for them and what will keep them in office. They want to keep people poor, needy and at odds with one another. They want to develop a dependent class of people who think they cannot function without the government.

 

[Ace]

Well, thanks VN for letting me rant. Good night

 

[reVOLution33]

This is only exactly what I'm saying. It also means tackling the root causes of WHY people come up short-- unaffordable medical expenses, sky-high childcare costs, and higher education that's becoming more and more expensive by the semester with lower and lower ROI.

I agree with your sentiment here, only i would add that raising minimum wage to "increase" ones income only makes it harder on the middle class, leaving the lower class in the same state because of inflation.

Also, I truly believe most people come up short because there is a lack of accountability in ones self along with the lack of training and teaching in school and home to help them further understand how to manage money.

2 things I'm convinced of.

1. I said nothing of making anyone pay, so quoting me made no sense.

2. If "most" of the people you know just wanted to get by and never improve, that tells me more about what kind of people that you were around than it tells me about most of the working class.

My mistake if you feel I quoted you out of turn. You were only mentioned because of your input in this discussion, however, for you to question my character based on my stance on the subject or to take aim at some of my family by saying "that tells me more about what kind of people that you were around than it tells me about most of the working class," that tells me more of your character. I already stated I grew up poor. I know many people that are poor, several coming from close family. Not all poor people choice to be poor, but half if not most, choose to stay in there situation because that is what they know and some are afraid of change. You dont have to agree with me but there is no need to belittle me because our beliefs dont align.

I think there is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. You are calling happiness being able to care for yourself or your kids and not go broke.

I guess I live in a fairytale land where I think fundamentally (even aside from your religious beliefs) that if you have extra you should help someone and if you don’t have what you need then you should be helped.
The ironic thought to me is, is that the same people (not saying you at all) that believe “these people only want me to pay for them so they don’t have to work” often are the same people that are incredibly prideful in there achievement and feel superior because of their tax bracket and might on a good day check their box because they gave to ______ all the while the people they are looking down on work harder for less than they do.

If America really cared about something like... people. Then no one in America would go to bed hungry.

I understand people cheat the system but don’t be so ignorant to think it’s only one way. The same people that cheat it not wanting to work, there is an equal (maybe more) amount of people cheating it for their financial gain because their security is in their bottom line and you don’t have to be a millionaire for that to be true.

One of my parents has been poor most of their life and is still. However, for the most part I believe they are happy.

I believe everyone should lend a helping hand, truly. However, I do not believe one should be helped without honest stuggle. I am prideful that I provide for my family, but I dont shun people that cant. I try to help them help themselves through encouragement and faith not by money.

I envy the days when most were to prideful to hold out there hands. Sorry.

 

[chargervol]

My mistake if you feel I quoted you out of turn. You were only mentioned because of your input in this discussion, however, for you to question my character based on my stance on the subject or to take aim at some of my family by saying "that tells me more about what kind of people that you were around than it tells me about most of the working class," that tells me more of your character. I already stated I grew up poor. I know many people that are poor, several coming from close family. Not all poor people choice to be poor, but half if not most, choose to stay in there situation because that is what they know and some are afraid of change. You dont have to agree with me but there is no need to belittle me because our beliefs dont align.

Alright, that's more than enough.
1st time you quoted me in some rant about "making other people pay". Even though I never suggested any such thing.

2nd time. I pointed our that you only let me know about some of the people you grew up around to justify labeling "most" of an entire class of the country.
And just making up stats like "at least half if not most" as some kind of legitimate reasoning to disparage so many others?


NOT ONE SINGLE TIME did I "belittle" you or "question your character". But you literally just said you question mine.

I no longer care if you are misunderstanding, not comprehending or just intentionally misleading with your responses.
Either way, it's the same result.
If you have to pretend I'm saying things I didn't, just to respond, I'd prefer you not respond to me at all.
Thanks in advance.

 

[bignewt]

I realize that. Problem is many Rich folk have ways to avoid paying taxes or at least minimize taxes by investment, purchasing things. A sales tax discourages this investment.

Rich people gonna rich. They still need their toys. Plus think about you not paying income tax either...

 

[InVOLuntary]

Rich people gonna rich. They still need their toys. Plus think about you not paying income tax either...

I'm a proponent for either a national sales tax or a flat tax. I still believe it would hurt my business. Maybe not the super rich but the ones that finance their purchase.

 

[bignewt]

I'm a proponent for either a national sales tax or a flat tax. I still believe it would hurt my business. Maybe not the super rich but the ones that finance their purchase.

If we must sacrifice you for the greater good then we must do what need be.

 

[GoVolsDR]

I watched the Israel fight. It was really good. All the guys I watched tho, Hughes, Liddell, Silva, Franklin, Fedor, Cro Cop, they’re all old now. No characters that really excite me anymore. Bones was gonna be the guy but he’s bone headed.

I loved watching CroCop KTFO his opponents with that leg kick in Pride FC. Unfortunately that style never translated well to the cage. Crazy to think that CroCop got knocked out by Brendan Schaub lmao

 

[InVOLuntary]

If we must sacrifice you for the greater good then we must do what need be.

Screw you!

 

[Vols4us]

Americans are the most charitable people on earth. It is not even a discussion point. Politicians generally treat the govermental revenue streams like they personally won the lottery. There is more than enough for everybody regardless of individual circumstances if the looting stops. See Ace’s posts for clarification.

A major method of gaining control is through a capitalistic economy increasing the number of revenue generators while employing more people with growing wage bases. At the same time you stop increasing government spending, just neuter the politicians’ cash grabbing and pandering for votes. All of that is underway and takes time. As average Americans and the wealthy have more, most give more. The safety nets move toward charities and private business efforts and less toward answers form politicians using OPM. Stay the course.

 

[DefenseWins]

I agree with your sentiment here, only i would add that raising minimum wage to "increase" ones income only makes it harder on the middle class, leaving the lower class in the same state because of inflation.

Also, I truly believe most people come up short because there is a lack of accountability in ones self along with the lack of training and teaching in school and home to help them further understand how to manage money.



My mistake if you feel I quoted you out of turn. You were only mentioned because of your input in this discussion, however, for you to question my character based on my stance on the subject or to take aim at some of my family by saying "that tells me more about what kind of people that you were around than it tells me about most of the working class," that tells me more of your character. I already stated I grew up poor. I know many people that are poor, several coming from close family. Not all poor people choice to be poor, but half if not most, choose to stay in there situation because that is what they know and some are afraid of change. You dont have to agree with me but there is no need to belittle me because our beliefs dont align.



One of my parents has been poor most of their life and is still. However, for the most part I believe they are happy.

I believe everyone should lend a helping hand, truly. However, I do not believe one should be helped without honest stuggle. I am prideful that I provide for my family, but I dont shun people that cant. I try to help them help themselves through encouragement and faith not by money.

I envy the days when most were to prideful to hold out there hands. Sorry.

That’s crazy to me. That’s exactly what I am saying whenever I mention “checking off your box because you helped someone” I understand that people learn by going through the process so I don’t disagree there. However, it seems as though you patronize them by saying, “ you can do it you will get there it’s okay” while you go off and go out to eat with your family and a steak dinner while they have nothing to eat. It’s good to teach them but in the learning process it would be extremely cold hearted to just give them advice and not offer a hand up. You wouldn’t do that to your children why would you do that to a hurting family who have children?

I understand you and I think different fundamentally, so this is just going to go back and forth with no end but I hope maybe one day you would reconsider lest you get caught in a situation that you need help and someone says to you “I’m sure you will figure it out”