Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[bignewt]

The point is, an evolutionary worldview cannot provide the foundation for morality. They have ethics, but they can’t explain why. Which is why Dawkins says he is anti-Darwinian when it comes to ethics.

This is not some unsubstantiated argument. Atheistic evolutionists regular admit this which is why the say morality is relative. There is no grounds to call anything evil in an atheistic, evolutionary worldview. Which is why the president of the American Atheists, in a debate with Dr. James White (highly recommend that debate btw) said that he could not say that Auschwitz was evil. It is his opinion that it is evil, but he has no grounds upon which to call it evil.

That is where the evolutionary worldview leads, and people like Newt don’t like it, so they ignore it rather than deal with it.

Don't speak for me.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Don't speak for me.

I’m not

Lol I'm not forced to do anything I'm a happily ignorant s.o.b.

 

[bignewt]

I’m not

You are. I'm not forced to worry about anything. I don't ignore it. You call me elitist but you are even more so, spouting your "truth." Keep me out of it.

 

[Devo182]

I have literally mentioned atheism in every post. But I also think the concept of theistic evolution is utter foolishness

Your first post that kicked this off did not, which is why this has been confusing. That long quote only mentioned evolution. I thought you were only saying people that believe in a 6,000 year old earth could have an ethical basis.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

You are. I'm not forced to worry about anything. I don't ignore it. You call me elitist but you are even more so, spouting your "truth." Keep me out of it.

My bad. I certainly didn’t mean to misrepresent you. You are “happily ignorant”

 

[InVOLuntary]

So, you voted against Lynda, not for Gal?

I voted twice, I'm a Democrat.

 

[bignewt]

My bad. I certainly didn’t mean to misrepresent you. You are “happily ignorant”

Very happy.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Idk your background or upbringing but i am from a very low income high crime area so i am very familiar with people who are born that had virtually no choice or chance at a life of enjoyment. I think Society and some people view an unborn child as pure and what they want to imagine them to become. But then when that person is born into a bad situation its more likely they become a sad story or enter into a life of crime or poverty. then some of the same people banging the table for them to be born in the first place are complaining about them Being on government assistance Or the crimes that they will probably one day commit.

There’s also a big difference in people who aren’t ready for a child vs ones who just do not want them.

Love the justification by all you bleeding hearts for the wholesale slaughter of the innocents.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Facts. Terrible thing to bring a child into a world where they won’t experience love. Perpetuates a nasty cycle of hate.

I also don’t get why religious people are against it. It’s admitting that they don’t believe that we have souls.

You know what would be great? Line up all the babies born into bad situations and just mow em down, that way you can just quickly and mercifully end their pathetic unwanted existence...wait I know something even quicker and easier than that..lets build gas chambers...that way you can mass produce killing on an industrial scale...I wonder why none of you merciful angels have thought of that...

I have a very personal reason for hating abortion with the burning hatred of a million suns..and nothing you can say will ever change my mind..

I have a very hard time not hating everyone that supports that evil crap.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

There are always people willing to adopt and many will help the woman with the expenses during the pregnancy.

Too many options available for abortion to be an option in extreme circumstances where medically necessary. Unborn fetus rights need to be just as strong as women's rights.

Plan B, birth control, condoms, common sense and basic morals are preventative measures.

My niece is adopted, funny, that’s sounds weird to say. She became a part of our family from 3 days old, when my brother and SIL were fortunate to get her. Her birth mother is a addict and we had to nurse my niece through withdrawals. There are families that want babies that otherwise wouldn’t stand a chance.

 

[JacketVol]

You know what would be great? Line up all the babies born into bad situations and just mow em down, that way you can just quickly and mercifully end their pathetic unwanted existence...wait I know something quicker and easier than that lets build gas chambers...that way you can mass produce killing on an industrial scale...I wonder why none of you merciful angels have thought of that...

I have a very personal reason for hating abortion with the burning hatred of a million suns..and nothing you can say will ever change my mind..

I have a very hard time not hating everyone that supports that evil crap.

I think I remember you sharing that once. Sorry man

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Not really. Most of the people it kills are past childbearing age. Minimal change to the gene pool.

Dang..you are smart..I actually didn't think about that.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Pure Darwinian evolution would prevent the weakest from passing on their genes. If you are past childbearing years, you have already done so, so dying doesn’t affect anything.

And @bignewt, this particular creationist completely agrees with micro evolution, just not macro evolution.

Yep

 

[Jackcrevol]

Love the justification by all you bleeding hearts for the wholesale slaughter of the innocents.

Oh lord. The fetus.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Except you took it to the most extreme possible conclusion. That is the fallacy.

It is as if I said consumers, when waiting in line to checkout, tend to become impulsive (aka they tend to buy magazines, candies, gum they did not intend to buy) and you said, "if that's true, they'd buy up the whole store!".

Shoot first culture means we tend to resolve with guns more than elsewhere. Not saying 100.00% of the time every single person turns into a raging bloodhungry maniac at the first inclination of an incidence. That would seem obvious. This would be a really over the top interpretation...don't you think?

Except WE don't. Talk about generalities. The overwhelming majority of gun-owning Americans do not tend to resolve issues with guns unless they or their loved ones are physically threatened with harm. That is a fact. Again, if what you suggested were true it would be the wild, wild west out there every day as gun-owners have issues with each other all the time (and probably in most cases don't even realize the other is carrying) and never consider pulling their weapon. Sorry but saying we are a 'shoot first, ask questions later' culture is just extreme hyperbole. But as I noted earlier, there are pockets of society that likely do think that way, but for the most part those individuals more often than not are not carrying legally.

 

[gainesvol82]

My niece is adopted, funny, that’s sounds weird to say. She became a part of our family from 3 days old, when my brother and SIL were fortunate to get her. Her birth mother is a addict and we had to nurse my niece through withdrawals. There are families that want babies that otherwise wouldn’t stand a chance.

My parents are both paranoid schitzophrenics (dad died back in 2014). Both went through electric shock therapy in the 70's and ended up meeting at Appalachian Hall. They were released long enough to get married and get pregnant with me.

They were repeatedly told that I should be about do due to probability of genetic mental issues and because they wouldn't be able to care for me. The issues in caring for me we're partially correct as they divorced when I was 3 due to my father being unable to separate reality from delusion. Sadly, he died in a mental home years later.

My mother was able to somewhat function but it was rough and confusing as a child to deal with a hallucinating parent and I had to grow up quickly and be the adult from a young age. Luckily, I had great grandparents (ironically my mom's father was a psychiatrist for UT).

Point being that beautiful lives can come from bad situations and abortion is never the answer except in extreme health risks.

 

[benholt06]

I've been to 100's of gun shows. I've bought numerous firearms and all included background checks. Most, not all that have tables at gun shows are dealers and they are 100% required to do background checks. The only sales that do not require background checks are private sales, sales between individuals. The gun show loop hole is nothing more that a liberal, anti-second amendment propaganda catch phrase used to manipulate the uniformed, weak minded populace. THERE IS NO GUN SHOW LOOP HOLE.

If you want to make make background checks more prevalent, do two things:

1. Make the background check free. You shouldn't have to pay the government to exercise your rights.

2. Don't put the firearm on the application for the background check. There is zero reason to do this other than create a firearm database. This encourages people to purchase firearms through private sales.

It's a favorite rallying cry for gun toters. When I was younger I worked dozens of gun shows as security. The number of FFL dealers in these shows varied but was never more than half the participants. Any transaction done there between a non-FFL gun seller and a private citizen required NO paperwork, not even ID in the state I was in.

The fact is weapons can easily get into the hands of someone intending to carry out a mass shooting. If you're a law abiding American, you should have NOTHING to worry about, and almost nobody holds the view that citizens should be completely disarmed by their government. When Dems are in power the gun lobby hollering they're coming to take them away is the absolute best sales tactic they can deploy.

My interest is to maintain law abiding, mentally stable Americans' gun ownership rights to reasonable firearms for sport or home defense, while also respecting citizens rights to go to a mall, a county music concert, or a child to go to school without getting murdered. The trite calls for thoughts and prayers from the gun lobby's most loyal politicians when these massacres occur are flat out insulting, and the idea that it's an unavoidable consequence of Bubba holding on to his unmitigated right to have guns is worse. Some nutjobs even go as far as to label these mass shootings as staged, fake, agenda-driven propaganda with actors on camera crying for their lost family member. That is the pinnacle of twisted priorities.

 

[SoonerVol]

Idk your background or upbringing but i am from a very low income high crime area so i am very familiar with people who are born that had virtually no choice or chance at a life of enjoyment. I think Society and some people view an unborn child as pure and what they want to imagine them to become. But then when that person is born into a bad situation its more likely they become a sad story or enter into a life of crime or poverty. then some of the same people banging the table for them to be born in the first place are complaining about them Being on government assistance Or the crimes that they will probably one day commit.

There’s also a big difference in people who aren’t ready for a child vs ones who just do not want them.

There is no justification for killing 600,000+ babies a year no matter the life they are born into. Murder is against the law. Many are quick to push women's health as an excuse to free them from responsibility. In reality, responsibility lies with the two idiots who created it. They should not get a pass for their lack abstinence or at the very least their lack of protection. Remove their get a jail free card and we would likely see a large decline in the murderous practice.

 

[JacketVol]

You are all a bunch of pansies in here today. Talking about rights and gun control and viruses...all the while tiptoeing around the "real" elephant in the thread. If you all don't ha r the guts to do it, I will!


Linda has bigger boobs. She wins.





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[InVOLuntary]

It's a favorite rallying cry for gun toters. When I was younger I worked dozens of gun shows as security. The number of FFL dealers in these shows varied but was never more than half the participants. Any transaction done there between a non-FFL gun seller and a private citizen required NO paperwork, not even ID in the state I was in.

The fact is weapons can easily get into the hands of someone intending to carry out a mass shooting. If you're a law abiding American, you should have NOTHING to worry about, and almost nobody holds the view that citizens should be completely disarmed by their government. When Dems are in power the gun lobby hollering they're coming to take them away is the absolute best sales tactic they can deploy.

My interest is to maintain law abiding, mentally stable Americans' gun ownership rights to reasonable firearms for sport or home defense, while also respecting citizens rights to go to a mall, a county music concert, or a child to go to school without getting murdered. The trite calls for thoughts and prayers from the gun lobby's most loyal politicians when these massacres occur are flat out insulting, and the idea that it's an unavoidable consequence of Bubba holding on to his unmitigated right to have guns is worse. Some nutjobs even go as far as to label these mass shootings as staged, fake, agenda-driven propaganda with actors on camera crying for their lost family member. That is the pinnacle of twisted priorities.

So you dont mind if i keep my AR? My high capacity mags? My collaspsable stock? My muzzle device?

Why do you need to know which firearm I purchased? I mean if you're just interested in whether it's legal for me to have a firearm?
I find it hilarious that you say you don't want my guns but then you are for reasonable firearmsfor sport or home defense. Why do you get to determine what's reasonable?

LOL, from my cold dead hands.

 

[InVOLuntary]

It's a favorite rallying cry for gun toters. When I was younger I worked dozens of gun shows as security. The number of FFL dealers in these shows varied but was never more than half the participants. Any transaction done there between a non-FFL gun seller and a private citizen required NO paperwork, not even ID in the state I was in.

The fact is weapons can easily get into the hands of someone intending to carry out a mass shooting. If you're a law abiding American, you should have NOTHING to worry about, and almost nobody holds the view that citizens should be completely disarmed by their government. When Dems are in power the gun lobby hollering they're coming to take them away is the absolute best sales tactic they can deploy.

My interest is to maintain law abiding, mentally stable Americans' gun ownership rights to reasonable firearms for sport or home defense, while also respecting citizens rights to go to a mall, a county music concert, or a child to go to school without getting murdered. The trite calls for thoughts and prayers from the gun lobby's most loyal politicians when these massacres occur are flat out insulting, and the idea that it's an unavoidable consequence of Bubba holding on to his unmitigated right to have guns is worse. Some nutjobs even go as far as to label these mass shootings as staged, fake, agenda-driven propaganda with actors on camera crying for their lost family member. That is the pinnacle of twisted priorities.

Oh yea, I'm sure you are ok banning all alcohol. I mean that's reasonable, no? Who needs alcohol? It kills infinitely more people annually than firearms. Stay the eff away from my constitutional right.

 

[Weezer]

You are all a bunch of pansies in here today. Talking about rights and gun control and viruses...all the while tiptoeing around the "real" elephant in the thread. If you all don't ha r the guts to do it, I will!








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I'd let them both tie me up with that golden lasso. That's all I'm sayin'.

 

[Weezer]

@bignewt

Legalized marijuana linked to a sharp rise in car crashes

Most of the stuff I found were studies that were comparing MJ related car crashes to before and after legalization. Mixed reviews on that but there are significant car crashes from mj impaired drivers. Like I've stated, I stand for your right to partake. Even though I have no desire to myself. I'm sure you are responsible with your use, but just as some firearms owners are not responsible with their firearms, I don't think it's right to infringe on those who are.

Didn't read. Are we talking fatal car crashes? Seems like a fatal car accident would be hard to do going 5-10 MPH.

 

[delfonic]

There is no justification for killing 600,000+ babies a year no matter the life they are born into. Murder is against the law. Many are quick to push women's health as an excuse to free them from responsibility. In reality, responsibility lies with the two idiots who created it. They should not get a pass for their lack abstinence or at the very least their lack of protection. Remove their get a jail free card and we would likely see a large decline in the murderous practice.

Everyone who advocates abstinence as a realistic form of birth control apparently grew in a test tube until they were a married adult.

 

[Vols4us]

Silliness. One can believe in evolution and god (since you brought up atheists).

Is your argument for only creationists can have ethics or only believers in god? They are not one in the same.

Actually - no. But keep digging and you may discover why someday.

Here's a clue. Start reading, thinking and analyzing the worldview of the writers of the Bible. Their context, not the modern world in which you live. That includes the study of false gods/beliefs of pagans and such so that you can compare and see the differences.

A Christian believes what the Bible teaches in the context in which it is written. Jesus accepted and taught the Word of God as written. You cannot blend a relatively recent scientific theory that has never been substantiated to the extent it was presented by its promoter that people try to sell it as today; with the beliefs of God's chosen who wrote the contents of the Bible over several thousand years. They did not believe in the theory you want to add in, they actually state the opposite.