Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[bignewt]

I appreciate that. I'm just not conflicted about it. Which makes me a better libertarian than you.

Except for your voting record that is.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Just an curious as to your cure to the problem, nothing more.

The repair of frayed social bonds, increased social capital, and reduced isolation.

I call it the ROFSBISCRI Act.

 

[bignewt]

@bignewt

Legalized marijuana linked to a sharp rise in car crashes

Most of the stuff I found were studies that were comparing MJ related car crashes to before and after legalization. Mixed reviews on that but there are significant car crashes from mj impaired drivers. Like I've stated, I stand for your right to partake. Even though I have no desire to myself. I'm sure you are responsible with your use, but just as some firearms owners are not responsible with their firearms, I don't think it's right to infringe on those who are.

There are significant car crashes from non impaired drivers...

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Except for your voting record that is.

Are you a Gary Johnson man too? Please say yes.

 

[Pepe]

I’m sorry that reading comprehension is hard. Hank said that 37,000 deaths from this virus deserves a call for help. I’m merely saying that 620,000 deaths every year deserves a call for help. Why are lives being lost due to this virus more important than lives being lost due to abortion, yet there is no upheaval in this country about the 620,000 babies who are killed every year with NO CHOICE in the matter?! Whether or not people decide to leave their home and possibly expose themselves to this virus is their choice… The babies have no choice. Just trying to find out why lives being lost due to a virus that we are trying to control is more important than lives being lost due to abortion, in which there could be full control preventing that. Plenty of capable parents would love to adopt those precious souls.

The problem is that this is a highly political subject that will garner more pointless arguments that have no more chance of being solved on a message board than the LeBron versus Jordan "debate"

 

[bignewt]

Are you a Gary Johnson man too? Please say yes.

I voted for him, yes. And if Amash runs under the ticket which I sure hope he does he has my vote.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I voted for him, yes. And if Amash runs under the ticket which I sure hope he does he has my vote.

Same in all likelihood. Or I may just abstain out of protest.

 

[scvolfan7]

What?? It’s murder, that’s why religious people are against it. Do I know all of those little babies will have their places in heaven one day?? ABSOLUTELY!! Does it make it right to take away their chance at life? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! Don’t want a child? Then practice abstinence until you are married and ready for children.

Their souls will move on to another place. It’s not like they’ll disappear. It’s murder, and the parents will have to answer that, but it’s a far worse sin to bring a child into this world that will be unloved and neglected.

Intent matters. No one gets an abortion because they want to. Also it’s unrealistic to expect poor, uneducated people to practice abstinence

 

[gainesvol82]

Idk your background or upbringing but i am from a very low income high crime area so i am very familiar with people who are born that had virtually no choice or chance at a life of enjoyment. I think Society and some people view an unborn child as pure and what they want to imagine them to become. But then when that person is born into a bad situation its more likely they become a sad story or enter into a life of crime or poverty. then some of the same people banging the table for them to be born in the first place are complaining about them Being on government assistance Or the crimes that they will probably one day commit.

There’s also a big difference in people who aren’t ready for a child vs ones who just do not want them.

There are always people willing to adopt and many will help the woman with the expenses during the pregnancy.

Too many options available for abortion to be an option in extreme circumstances where medically necessary. Unborn fetus rights need to be just as strong as women's rights.

Plan B, birth control, condoms, common sense and basic morals are preventative measures.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Their souls will move on to another place. It’s not like they’ll disappear. It’s murder, and the parents will have to answer that, but it’s a far worse sin to bring a child into this world that will be unloved and neglected.

Intent matters. No one gets an abortion because they want to. Also it’s unrealistic to expect poor, uneducated people to practice abstinence

The focus from everyone (pro-choice and pro-life alike) should be reducing the incidence of abortion. It is objectively always a bad thing. But it seems like many on the pro-choice side openly celebrate the practice and view it as empowering or liberating, which is barbarous and totally at odds with the reality of the practice.

 

[scvolfan7]

The focus from everyone (pro-choice and pro-life alike) should be reducing the incidence of abortion. It is objectively always a bad thing. But it seems like many on the pro-choice side openly celebrate the practice and view it as empowering or liberating, which is barbarous and totally at odds with the reality of the practice.

I wouldn’t say many celebrate it but I agree overall. It’s a terrible thing and we should try to reduce it. That requires investing in education in low income areas and other methods of lifting the poorest of society from the depths.

 

[JacketVol]

Idk your background or upbringing but i am from a very low income high crime area so i am very familiar with people who are born that had virtually no choice or chance at a life of enjoyment. I think Society and some people view an unborn child as pure and what they want to imagine them to become. But then when that person is born into a bad situation its more likely they become a sad story or enter into a life of crime or poverty. then some of the same people banging the table for them to be born in the first place are complaining about them Being on government assistance Or the crimes that they will probably one day commit.

There’s also a big difference in people who aren’t ready for a child vs ones who just do not want them.

Adoption. Plenty of people who want to and don’t get to. Looks like you have done just fine. Some kids born into better situations become not so good citizens. All I am saying is too give them a chance. To me, they are more than a future vote sitting on government assistance. That’s where some politicians would prefer they stay. I think they can become good and productive citizens if we will not kill them or pigeon hole their potential.

 

[BaldBiker]

You are all a bunch of pansies in here today. Talking about rights and gun control and viruses...all the while tiptoeing around the "real" elephant in the thread. If you all don't ha r the guts to do it, I will!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Just an curious as to your cure to the problem, nothing more.

I don't have a great solution. I think the demonization of guns has created a taboo like draw to them for many of these mass shooters, especially the young ones. I think social media where these people have a platform to make a last statement plays a role. As stated earlier, I think we have kids on too many pharmaceuticals at an early age during critical brain development. It's always the American way to treat things with a pill. We've had guns for a very long time and mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. Back in the 70's when I was a kid, I often had a shotgun in my car for after school rabbit hunting, always carried a knife in my pocket. No one was ever concerned. Makes you look at what's changed over the years.

You also have to look at where these folks attack. It's typically places that offer the least chance of resistance. Gun free zones. You know as well as I do that if you were in a mall here in East Tennessee that there is a decent chance the guy standing next to you is packing so the people that carry out these shootings look for vulnerable targets.

I just don't think limiting law abiding citizens individual rights is the answer.

 

[bignewt]

You are all a bunch of pansies in here today. Talking about rights and gun control and viruses...all the while tiptoeing around the "real" elephant in the thread. If you all don't ha r the guts to do it, I will!








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Not even close. Hell Gal ain't even 'merican!

 

[InVOLuntary]

There are significant car crashes from non impaired drivers...

So let's ban cars altogether. Driving is not even a constitutional right.

The point was people driving under the influence of MJ kill themselves and others in car crashes. It's an undeniable fact. I guess your trying to say the MJ didn't contribute to those deaths but I think you're smarter than that. I would think that driving under the influence of MJ kills more annually than mass shootings using AR15's or AK47's with high capacity magazines. I'd love to see the numbers on that but don't have time to research it today.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Except for your voting record that is.

Nah. I just voted against someone not for someone.

 

[BleedorangeinGA]

There are always people willing to adopt and many will help the woman with the expenses during the pregnancy.

Too many options available for abortion to be an option in extreme circumstances where medically necessary. Unborn fetus rights need to be just as strong as women's rights.

Plan B, birth control, condoms, common sense and basic morals are preventative measures.

Wish I could give my lifetime of likes to this.

 

[HankHill]

So you take their chance at life away and kill them??? Don’t give them a chance to rise above not being wanted and being a productive citizen in this country? Don’t give them a chance to be put up for adoption and parents who have a hard time having kids on their own, being able to adopt them and give them a great home? Just kill them…what a comeback answer.

no what I’m saying is if you’re going to bang the table for pro life that’s fine. But you also need to bang the table for every government assistance program, housing program, easier adoption, health care etc that these “babies” are going to one day need when they are born into bad situations.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

So let's ban cars altogether. Driving is not even a constitutional right.

The point was people driving under the influence of MJ kill themselves and others in car crashes. It's an undeniable fact. I guess your trying to say the MJ didn't contribute to those deaths but I think you're smarter than that. I would think that driving under the influence of MJ kills more annually than mass shootings using AR15's or AK47's with high capacity magazines. I'd love to see the numbers on that but don't have time to research it today.

Don't you dare undersell the 9th Amendment on me like this.

 

[Devo182]

I guess the question we as a country need to ask is if we have so many safeguards...why do we still have so many mass shootings? There has to be an answer.

It's the culture. The "Annie grab your gun", shoot first, ask questions later culture, that glorifies guns.

Jmo. There could be other factors, such as social structures, stratification, stress, etc, similar reasons to why we use so many drugs here. You definitely have to wonder why we are such an anomaly.

Otherwise we just accept we are a violent bunch for no reason. I don't accept that. I don't think Americans are born more violent. But our culture and environment obviously has led us toward being so.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

It's the culture. The "Annie grab your gun", shoot first, ask questions later culture, that glorifies guns.

Jmo. There could be other factors, such as social structures, stratification, stress, etc, similar reasons to why we use so many drugs here. You definitely have to wonder why we are such an anomaly.

Otherwise we just accept we are a violent bunch for no reason. I don't accept that. I don't think Americans are born more violent. But our culture and environment obviously has led us toward being so.

But that's always been there on some level and we didn't have these levels of problems. InVOL talked about taking a gun in the back of his pickup truck to school and no one thought twice of it. My uncles did the same when they were young.

I truly don't know why other than that I think it's enormously complicated.

 

[Big Orange#1]

Idk your background or upbringing but i am from a very low income high crime area so i am very familiar with people who are born that had virtually no choice or chance at a life of enjoyment. I think Society and some people view an unborn child as pure and what they want to imagine them to become. But then when that person is born into a bad situation its more likely they become a sad story or enter into a life of crime or poverty. then some of the same people banging the table for them to be born in the first place are complaining about them Being on government assistance Or the crimes that they will probably one day commit.

There’s also a big difference in people who aren’t ready for a child vs ones who just do not want them.

This abortion argument reminds me of a man and his followers early in 20th century that wanted to sterilize and eliminate “undesirable” people.

 

[SSVol]

no what I’m saying is if you’re going to bang the table for pro life that’s fine. But you also need to bang the table for every government assistance program, housing program, easier adoption, health care etc that these “babies” are going to one day need when they are born into bad situations.

The real problem is a broken culture that allowed these situations to exist to start with. Everything else is a secondary or tertiary fix. You will never win the war until you deal with the broken culture.

 

[bignewt]

So let's ban cars altogether. Driving is not even a constitutional right.

The point was people driving under the influence of MJ kill themselves and others in car crashes. It's an undeniable fact. I guess your trying to say the MJ didn't contribute to those deaths but I think you're smarter than that. I would think that driving under the influence of MJ kills more annually than mass shootings using AR15's or AK47's with high capacity magazines. I'd love to see the numbers on that but don't have time to research it today.

I'd put money on you being wrong but I too have crap to do.