Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[Orange_Crush]

Why bother getting sad for the innocent or following the golden rule? I mean both of those are a hassle so what's the payoff?

I don't think you are all that aware lol. It sounds like you are living a weak approximation of Judeo Christian values. I mean the golden rule is pulled directly from the Bible. And because any principled value is grounded in faith I would imagine you don't have a convincing logical or rational explanation for following those values instead of ones that would be more convenient like pure hedonism.

For that matter, the concept of "innocent" is smuggling in loads all on its own.

 

[Jackcrevol]

It is what it is. Luckily I dont have to care what you think.

Shoulda used this guy...


This guy would give you and Butchna a run for money on dee kheadedness. He routinely interrupts people speaking with loud 'Ordaaaaaaah'....'Ooooorrrrrddddduuuuh.' Quite amusing.0

 

[volbeast33]

It's likely to be moved to the other thread eventually...but as a Christian myself I've always had issue with the idea of "we'll see them in Heaven" or "mansions made of gold" and all that. Salvation to me isn't for my mortal mind or conscious brain. It's for the soul, and at least to me I don't think the experience of afterlife will be anything like what we experience while alive.

I just thought I would share this…. My Grandfather wasn’t exactly an overt religious man….. one day while working in Knoxville….. he fell off a ten story building while doing construction…. He died five times…. They were able to bring him back each time. He spent months in the hospital…. He claimed that he was being pulled into a light…. He described how he saw people he had known and how beautiful it was. It completely changed him… He started begging his kids to give their life to God and giving his testimony about seeing Heaven…. I don’t know if it was real…. From the trauma or what but he believed it was real with everything in him.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

It's interesting, the different places one arrives due to their assumptions. Also, it's interesting that the narrator proposes a nihilistic philosophy that everything is meaningless (and thus absurd), while also smuggling in the concepts of "best" this or that, and the values of compassion, etc...

In this nihilistic take, it would be interesting to hear him describe why one outcome for life/future/society would be better than any other, after having described the insignificance of the rock we live on, and the things that live on it. And why should compassion be more preferrable than Dommer-esque murder-necrophilia?

If it's all insignificant, does the narrator live that way? As though his wife/husband/kids/parents/friends are ultimately meaningless and without value? Would there be more truth in a video that espoused nihilistic contentedness and then encouraged everyone to unrestrained narcissism?

The message seems to be "Everything is meaningless, and the best one can hope for is to rest assured of that fact while living as though you've created/experienced meaning."

There are other philosophies that could get you to the place of rest while living (and believing) that there is meaning in life--that what you do and who you do it with matters.

I didn't take it to mean that life is literally meaningless. . . more like the saying, "don't sweat the small stuff, everything's small stuff". In the grand scheme of the universe, the actions of one person are generally meaningless. Those same actions can have profound meaning to humanity though.

 

[bignewt]

I just thought I would share this…. My Grandfather wasn’t exactly an overt religious man….. one day while working in Knoxville….. he fell off a ten story building while doing construction…. He died five times…. They were able to bring him back each time. He spent months in the hospital…. He claimed that he was being pulled into a light…. He described how he saw people he had known and how beautiful it was. It completely changed him… He started begging his kids to give their life to God and giving his testimony about seeing Heaven…. I don’t know if it was real…. From the trauma or what but he believed it was real with everything in him.

The mind is immeasurably powerful.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Just because he doesn’t believe in the story you were indoctrinated in doesn’t mean there is any meaningful sadness.

You’re Christian because you were raised that way. Just like if you were born in another part of the world and indoctrinated into another faith you’d find contentment in that story.

I realize you find peace believing that. But I am eternally grateful that I find my peace knowing the Prince of Peace because I knew people who knew Him. There are millions of people who were raised that way and do not believe. I personally know hundreds so that theory failed.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Why do you need a reason to be a good human?

Because humans naturally care more about themselves and what they want and need which isn’t always good for others.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Sorry, I didn't realize the video I shared this morning was gonna spark a religious debate. I was just saying. . .

 

[SweetasSoda]

It's likely to be moved to the other thread eventually...but as a Christian myself I've always had issue with the idea of "we'll see them in Heaven" or "mansions made of gold" and all that. Salvation to me isn't for my mortal mind or conscious brain. It's for the soul, and at least to me I don't think the experience of afterlife will be anything like what we experience while alive.

I personally am looking forward to that glorified body that Jesus got. This one is not good physically. I like how one teacher explained it. We are body, soul and spirit. The soul is our personality = mind+will+emotions. We are a spirit that will get a new glorified body if our soul has been saved.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Like anyone else I can get sad. Sad for what befalls the innocent of the world. But inherently I'm a happy, peaceful fellow. Just try and live by the golden rule but I am too aware to be able to accept what others take as truth.

Glad you are happy now.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I understand the point you're trying to make, but assuming that Christians are only Christians because they "were raised that way" is a gross oversimplification and oftentimes not remotely true.

Oh, trust me I had plenty of other examples to follow.

 

[SweetasSoda]

That assumes that children of atheist families do not convert, that Christian kids don't grow up to believe differently, that people of other cultures don't become Christians, etc... It's a crutch statement that bypasses discussion and debate.

Yep, makes them feel better which is what they accuse others of doing.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Been true since the dawn of time.

Again, that's narrow-minded. I think you're right in many cases, but not in all cases. You're painting with a broad brush. If that's your reality...fine. I really don't care and am not the type that thinks it's my mission to change someone else's mind. @SweetasSoda didn't come at you with a religious post, so I fail to see your motivation in responding to her post other than simply being rude.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I personally am looking forward to that glorified body that Jesus got. This one is not good physically. I like how one teacher explained it. We are body, soul and spirit. The soul is our personality = mind+will+emotions. We are a spirit that will get a new glorified body if our soul has been saved.

We have different interpretations completely on what the soul is then. And to me if Heaven has no suffering I don't think the mind/emotions/body will be present...not in the same way they are on Earth.

 

[bignewt]

Again, that's narrow-minded. I think you're right in many cases, but not in all cases. You're painting with a broad brush. If that's your reality...fine. I really don't care and am not the type that thinks it's my mission to change someone else's mind. @SweetasSoda didn't come at you with a religious post, so I fail to see your motivation in responding to her post other than simply being rude.

My post was that one person's sadness is another person's peace. If that's rude, then so be it.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Jesus seemed to think it was for the conscious brain when He assured the thief on the cross.

Don't want to start a bunch of back and forth, will just say I don't know...wasn't me on the cross beside him.

This will get moved, but it is important to note that Christianity is unique in that the Bible promises that God is redeeming both body and soul, and promises a new heaven and a new earth (i.e., a fully redeemed creation, without the curse of sin). Sometimes we over spiritualize Christianity and want to say all fleshly things are wrong, sinful and are going away - but scripture won't let us do that. We need to be careful there, because that risks being the heresy of Gnosticism that plagued the early church. In the risen Christ, we see our own future - soul united to a glorified body, living in eternity. But we still see vestiges of this life - Christ's hands still bear the wounds of the cross, for example.

To me the most redeeming thing for both body and soul is to have the limitations of the body removed. But understand my interpretation on the matter is my own.

I just thought I would share this…. My Grandfather wasn’t exactly an overt religious man….. one day while working in Knoxville….. he fell off a ten story building while doing construction…. He died five times…. They were able to bring him back each time. He spent months in the hospital…. He claimed that he was being pulled into a light…. He described how he saw people he had known and how beautiful it was. It completely changed him… He started begging his kids to give their life to God and giving his testimony about seeing Heaven…. I don’t know if it was real…. From the trauma or what but he believed it was real with everything in him.

My friend was in a coma for a few months and had similar visions that he could recall from that time. None of us can truly know until we're gone, and we won't be returning. I used to find a lot of discomfort and worry in this thought...what is eternity like? what will Heaven be? But as I've faced more loss and gotten older I find more comfort in accepting that it's not my burden to explain or speculate. I believe it exist and I believe there is salvation, the rest will simply be what my creator deems it should be.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Don't want to start a bunch of back and forth, will just say I don't know...wasn't me on the cross beside him.



To me the most redeeming thing for both body and soul is to have the limitations of the body removed. But understand my interpretation on the matter is my own.



My friend was in a coma for a few months and had similar visions that he could recall from that time. None of us can truly know until we're gone, and we won't be returning. I used to find a lot of discomfort and worry in this thought...what is eternity like? what will Heaven be? But as I've faced more loss and gotten older I find more comfort in accepting that it's not my burden to explain or speculate. I believe it exist and I believe there is salvation, the rest will simply be what my creator deems it should be.

It'll come down to your trust and interpretation of scripture, but it's in there. Paul describes this and says of our eternal state that "we don't know exactly what/how we will be, but we know that we will be like Him (Jesus)."

That is, the resurrected Jesus. We know He had a body. We know that it was physical, as Thomas felt it. But we also know that it wasn't like our own, as the Bible seems to go out of its way to point out that He passed through locked doors and such.

Your concerns seem to be on the fact that you can't imagine a physical existence in any other form from our own. But scripture says that death/suffering entered the world through sin, and has remained with us as a byproduct of sin nature. That indicates that Adam and Eve were in a physical form, given physical, daily pursuits with intellectual commands, yet without suffering or death.

Paul says that by the first Adam all died, but through the second Adam (Jesus) all believers will live. i.e. Adam made all who followed him into his image, but Jesus will remake all who follow Him into His image.

i.e. Heaven would be a return to God's original creation/plan--immortal, spiritual-physical beings with lives to live in intimate relationship with God forever.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It'll come down to your trust and interpretation of scripture, but it's in there. Paul describes this and says of our eternal state that "we don't know exactly what/how we will be, but we know that we will be like Him (Jesus)."

That is, the resurrected Jesus. We know He had a body. We know that it was physical, as Thomas felt it. But we also know that it wasn't like our own, as the Bible seems to go out of its way to point out that He passed through locked doors and such.

Your concerns seem to be on the fact that you can't imagine a physical existence in any other form from our own. But scripture says that death/suffering entered the world through sin, and has remained with us as a byproduct of sin nature. That indicates that Adam and Eve were in a physical form, given physical, daily pursuits with intellectual commands without suffering or death.

Paul says that by the first Adam all died, but through the second Adam (Jesus) all believers will live. i.e. Adam made all who followed him into his image, but Jesus will remake all who follow Him into His image.

i.e. Heaven would be a return to God's original creation/plan--immortal, spiritual-physical beings with lives to live in intimate relationship with God forever.

It does and I'm content with where I'm at in that.

 

[Weezer]

and you are bald too

Nope. Full head of hair. I will not abide your slander.

And if you don't believe me, ask Squirrel. He's seen my beautious hair.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Nope. Full head of hair. I will not abide your slander.

And if you don't believe me, ask Squirrel. He's seen my beautious hair.

Think mikey meant your DOWNSTAIRS is bald

 

[Orange_Crush]

Nope. Full head of hair. I will not abide your slander.

And if you don't believe me, ask Squirrel. He's seen my beautious hair.

We all have. It's purple and all over your body.

 

[Weezer]

Think mikey meant your DOWNSTAIRS is bald

I'm a big hairball. Just look at my picture.

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[Weezer]

Think mikey meant your DOWNSTAIRS is bald

And Mikey has a fetish for bald guys. It's why he cyberstalks @theFallGuy .

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

My post was that one person's sadness is another person's peace. If that's rude, then so be it.

You know what...I can admit when I'm wrong. Your response wasn't rude, I was focused more on your anti-religion comments and missed the way that discussion progressed. My bad.

 

[Vol423]

Not sure what the gender of the athletic director has to do with anything, but interesting counterpoint. And I’m not worried. But it is an interesting coincidence that Pruitts executive assistant at UT is now this kids athletic director. As I said, hopefully she has no hard feelings about her time at UT!

I couldn’t care less.