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Orange_Crush said:
Yes sir. Paul seemed to make that gospel of grace a dividing line. If you deny it, you're outside of the faith.
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I think it is a crucial distinction from the Law of Moses that basically says that you have tondo good things but when you mess up you have to make the appropriate sacrifices to atone for your screw ups. The Christian belief flips that on its head by stating that you cannot earn or sacrifice your way to righteous standing with God but that it requires surrender to and acceptance of the gift of grace from our heavenly father. The surrender part is the most difficult because our human and even more American minds tell us that we can muscle through anything and don't need anything but our own works to prove our worth.
 
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Glitch said:
I think it is a crucial distinction from the Law of Moses that basically says that you have tondo good things but when you mess up you have to make the appropriate sacrifices to atone for your screw ups. The Christian belief flips that on its head by stating that you cannot earn or sacrifice your way to righteous standing with God but that it requires surrender to and acceptance of the gift of grace from our heavenly father. The surrender part is the most difficult because our human and even more American minds tell us that we can muscle through anything and don't need anything but our own works to prove our worth.
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Yep. Jesus fulfilled the law so that atonement and sacrifice were no longer necessary. Burnt offerings were a temporary solution to a permanent problem that had to be redone over and over while Jesus was the ultimate, one time sacrifice for everyone. Our works and righteousness are like dirty rags to a Holy God and cannot buy salvation. Now we only need true belief and repentance to receive forgiveness and everlasting life in a new, physical body with God in heaven. All thanks to Jesus, the Word made flesh, who still today advocates for us at the right hand of the throne of God. The Jews felt like he was trying to destroy the law, but in fact he fulfilled it.
 
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Skullbone said:
Yep. Jesus fulfilled the law so that atonement and sacrifice were no longer necessary. Burnt offerings were a temporary solution to a permanent problem that had to be redone over and over while Jesus was the ultimate, one time sacrifice for everyone. Our works and righteousness are like dirty rags to a Holy God and cannot buy salvation. Now we only need true belief and repentance to receive forgiveness and everlasting life in a new, physical body with God in heaven. All thanks to Jesus, the Word made flesh, who still today advocates for us at the right hand of the throne of God. The Jews felt like he was trying to destroy the law, but in fact he fulfilled it.
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Yes. The Pharisees and Jewish elite didn't like Jesus walking around forgiving sins and healing people. Forgiveness of sins is something only God can do, so by Jesus forgiving sins He was claiming (rightfully so) to be God in the flesh. This was a huge issue for the Pharisees and Jewish elite for several reasons. One they felt that Jesus couldn't possibly be who he claimed and they feared run of the mill uneducated masses who be led astray so to speak. This led to the second thing they were worried about, which was if large swathes of the Israelites converted to this new religion and no longer needed them and the temple to complete their sacrifices for them then they would lose a lot of power and wealth due to the corruption that had crept in to the sacrificial system.
 
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