Recruiting Forum: Official Missouri Pre-Game/Game Thread

#51
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Well if you know...then just acknowledge it is the reason for the suckitude and quit throwing shade at our highly regarded DC. He didn't get stupid in a couple of months.
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Lol. There was smartassitude built in to that quote. My point was the performance hasn't matched the talent, even with the injuries. I'm not the only person on this board to say that.

Shoop is a great defensive mind. No doubt. I'm sure we'll bounce back. But even he has acknowledged the defense has underperformed in his interview sessions.

Casting a little shade from a nobody (like me or you) means nothing. We're just fans with an opinion.
 
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#52
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
The man that hired him is.
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Not so sure. Dooley was a bad head coach but Sunseri's ineptitude cost him his job in the end.

If Dooley hired a really good DC, we could have won 2 or 3 more games that season. And we might still have him as a coach. Scary thought.
 
#53
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Mike4Vols said:
Not so sure. Dooley was a bad head coach but Sunseri's ineptitude cost him his job in the end.

If Dooley hired a really good DC, we could have won 2 or 3 more games that season. And we might still have him as a coach. Scary thought.
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I just threw up.
 
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#54
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Mike4Vols said:
Lol. There was smartassitude built in to that quote. My point was the performance hasn't matched the talent, even with the injuries. I'm not the only person on this board to say that.

Shoop is a great defensive mind. No doubt. I'm sure we'll bounce back. But even he has acknowledged the defense has underperformed in his interview sessions.

Casting a little shade from a nobody (like me or you) means nothing. We're just fans with an opinion.
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It has become so commonplace for everyone to just have to have a scapegoat that it gets on my nerves. There are legitimate reasons, not excuses, but valid reasons, for the defensive collapse. Bob Shoop is not one of them. The guy is proven. The problem is not him. And what talent are you talking about, when the best talent is playing either playing hurt, or sitting on the bench? And I'm not meaning to sound like a jerk. I just think it a overly simplistic thing to just blame a coach for something like this. Of course Shoop is going to say they have underperforned. He is the kind of guy who is always going to say something like that when the defense is playing bad.
 
#55
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Mike4Vols said:
Not so sure. Dooley was a bad head coach but Sunseri's ineptitude cost him his job in the end.

If Dooley hired a really good DC, we could have won 2 or 3 more games that season. And we might still have him as a coach. Scary thought.
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That is why Dooley is the worst to me. He was responsible for that abomination ever being on the Tennessee sideline. But I agree that Sunseri is the worst assistant coach hire ever at UT.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It has become so commonplace for everyone to just have to have a scapegoat that it gets on my nerves. There are legitimate reasons, not excuses, but valid reasons, for the defensive collapse. Bob Shoop is not one of them. The guy is proven. The problem is not him. And what talent are you talking about, when the best talent is playing either playing hurt, or sitting on the bench? And I'm not meaning to sound like a jerk. I just think it a overly simplistic thing to just blame a coach for something like this. Of course Shoop is going to say they have underperforned. He is the kind of guy who is always going to say something like that when the defense is playing bad.
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When you lose your 3 starting DTs and a tackle machine in JRM and a team gashes you running up the middle its pretty elementary to figure out the whys.
 
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bignewt said:
When you lose your 3 starting DTs and a tackle machine in JRM and a team gashes you running up the middle its pretty elementary to figure out the whys.
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It is evidently not as obvious to everyone, as it is to you and me. I think people buy into this Coordinator as magician idea too much. A good DC or OC can do more with less, but not this much less. Bob Shoop is a proven, and coveted commodity. The problem is not him.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
That is why Dooley is the worst to me. He was responsible for that abomination ever being on the Tennessee sideline. But I agree that Sunseri is the worst assistant coach hire ever at UT.
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And if I remember correctly, didn't we pay him something among the lines of $700k?
 
#61
#61
Ulysees E. McGill said:
But was that on Clawson, or on Phil meddling? I mean Clawson has done a good job elsewhere.
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I think it was a few things but just based on performance it was definitely the 2nd worst hire.

I think his O was too complex for the players and they had too short amount of time to figure it out.
 
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I think I remember that everywhere Clawson has gone his offense has done a lot better in years 2 and 3 than they do in the first year because it's so complex. Phil had just gotten himself into a situation where he didn't have the luxury of another subpar year for the team to figure out a complex new offense.

The Sunseri hire was way worse IMO. Clawson is a good coach who was just brought into the wrong situation at the wrong time. Sunseri, on the other hand, was completely incompetent.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
By the way, I went to the archives to look at the 2012 season. I forgot how truly awful that defense really was. Holy cow. And it got worse as the season progressed.

Is Sunseri the single worst coaching hire in UT athletics history?
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Not according to Bruin. :)
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It has become so commonplace for everyone to just have to have a scapegoat that it gets on my nerves. There are legitimate reasons, not excuses, but valid reasons, for the defensive collapse. Bob Shoop is not one of them. The guy is proven. The problem is not him. And what talent are you talking about, when the best talent is playing either playing hurt, or sitting on the bench? And I'm not meaning to sound like a jerk. I just think it a overly simplistic thing to just blame a coach for something like this. Of course Shoop is going to say they have underperforned. He is the kind of guy who is always going to say something like that when the defense is playing bad.
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I mean the 4 and 5 star young talent we're bringing in to replace starters. How about Warrior? Or Kyle Phillips? And what about the development of other players like Kongbo and Martin (to name just a few)? There's talent on the roster. The loss of Sutton and Maybin has been devastating because the replacements at those positions universally underperformed. Since we'll have essentially the same players next year when Sutton and Maybin are gone, how do they deal with that?

Look dude, you're taking it way too seriously. I'm not bashing Shoop. I'm thrilled they have him. I just said I believe we underperformed relative to our talent level. That's all. I'm just a meaningless fan with some honest questions.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
I mean the 4 and 5 star young talent we're bringing in to replace starters. How about Warrior? Or Kyle Phillips? And what about the development of other players like Kongbo and Martin (to name just a few)? There's talent on the roster. The loss of Sutton and Maybin has been devastating because the replacements at those positions universally underperformed. Since we'll have essentially the same players next year when Sutton and Maybin are gone, how do they deal with that?

Look dude, you're taking it way too seriously. I'm not bashing Shoop. I'm thrilled they have him. I just said I believe we underperformed relative to our talent level. That's all. I'm just a meaningless fan with some honest questions.
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Mike, I agree with you. Butch has said we have the depth now in his 4th year. If the younger players don't develop that's on the entire staff. I'm not discounting the effect of the multitude of injuries, but Ky isn't a juggernaught and they put up over 400 rushing yards on us. I could see giving up even 200, but 400 is beyond abysmal with the talent we've recruited for the past 3 classes.
 
#73
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Mike4Vols said:
I mean the 4 and 5 star young talent we're bringing in to replace starters. How about Warrior? Or Kyle Phillips? And what about the development of other players like Kongbo and Martin (to name just a few)? There's talent on the roster. The loss of Sutton and Maybin has been devastating because the replacements at those positions universally underperformed. Since we'll have essentially the same players next year when Sutton and Maybin are gone, how do they deal with that?

Look dude, you're taking it way too seriously. I'm not bashing Shoop. I'm thrilled they have him. I just said I believe we underperformed relative to our talent level. That's all. I'm just a meaningless fan with some honest questions.
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Here is an honest question in return..Do you not think the inherent difficulties in implementing a new scheme were compounded exponentially by the complete devastation of the roster? Maybe that is the reason, not that Bob Snoop has gotten stupid literally overnight?
 
#74
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Mike4Vols said:
By the way, I went to the archives to look at the 2012 season. I forgot how truly awful that defense really was. Holy cow. And it got worse as the season progressed.

Is Sunseri the single worst coaching hire in UT athletics history?
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Neck and neck with Dooley
 
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