Recruiting Forum: Official Outback Bowl Pre-Game/Game Thread

#77
#77
InVOLuntary said:
I agree. I think we may be a tad over confident here.
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Under Jones the worry about the mentality of the players has been wasted energy. Lord knows I have been guilty . They have always been very ready to play IMO.

Hopefully today is no different but dang it seems like human nature for the kids to be over confident with all that is being said
 
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#78
#78
Hurd not playing as much might not hurt us this game. When you have a big speed advantage you look to get to the edge. Kamara is more of a threat to spread the field than Hurd is.

I think Kamara gets the edge and runs wild on them. As soon as they worry more about keeping Kamara from getting the edge Dobbs pulls it and guts them up the middle.

Only problem is if Kamara is the feature back and runs wild his draft status might rise to a 4th round or so pick and he moves on.
 
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#79
#79
jason3713 said:
Hurd not playing as much might not hurt us this game. When you have a big speed advantage you look to get to the edge. Kamara is more of a threat to spread the field than Hurd is.

I think Kamara gets the edge and runs wild on them. As soon as they worry more about keeping Kamara from getting the edge Dobbs pulls it and guts them up the middle.

Only problem is if Kamara is the feature back and runs wild his draft status might rise to a 4th round or so pick and he moves on.
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Sounds like Kamara is gone to me regardless. Vq seemed like they were really pushing that IMO
 
#80
#80
BruinVol said:
Under Jones the worry about the mentality of the players has been wasted energy. They have always been very ready to play IMO.

Hopefully today is no different but dang it seems like human nature for the kids to be over confident with all that is being said
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I think if Hurd doesn't go or is limited that would be pretty significant. Changes the game plan slightly. Remember how big Hurd was in the game against Iowa last year? Not saying it's the difference in a win and a loss but it definitely will be a pretty big factor in my opinion.
 
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#81
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InVOLuntary said:
I think if Hurd doesn't go or is limited that would be pretty significant. Changes the game plan slightly. Remember how big Hurd was in the game against Iowa last year? Not saying it's the difference in a win and a loss but it definitely will be a pretty big factor in my opinion.
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I downplay the difference if Hurd is out. I think in a one game setting we don't lose much if any.

Now over the course of a season I don't think Kamara could handle the load
 
#83
#83
I've thought this game would be closer than most around here from the get go.

So yeah, losing Hurd makes me nervous. It hurts us from a power running standpoint as well as a formation standpoint. For some reason I doubt we go 2 RBs with Kamara and Kelly the same way we did with Hurd and Kamara.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I've thought this game would be closer than most around here from the get go.

So yeah, losing Hurd makes me nervous. It hurts us from a power running standpoint as well as a formation standpoint. For some reason I doubt we go 2 RBs with Kamara and Kelly the same way we did with Hurd and Kamara.
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Good point in the 2 back stuff
 
#85
#85
Darth_Shiveman said:
I've thought this game would be closer than most around here from the get go.

So yeah, losing Hurd makes me nervous. It hurts us from a power running standpoint as well as a formation standpoint. For some reason I doubt we go 2 RBs with Kamara and Kelly the same way we did with Hurd and Kamara.
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This. Hurd is a different animal to have to tackle than Kamara. He wears on defenders. Toward the end of the 3rd quarter the secondary doesn't want to engage him.
 
#86
#86
BruinVol said:
Sounds like Kamara is gone to me regardless. Vq seemed like they were really pushing that IMO
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I don't think Kamara goes if he doesn't think he will get drafted. Life as an undrafted free agent trying to make the team from the practice squad isn't fun.

Coaches and GMs will always give the ones they drafted all the opportunities in the world to make it before the undrafted. They don't want it to look like they made a mistake.
 
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jason3713 said:
I don't think Kamara goes if he doesn't think he will get drafted. Life as an undrafted free agent trying to make the team from the practice squad isn't fun.

Coaches and GMs will always give the ones they drafted all the opportunities in the world to make it before the undrafted. They don't want it to look like they made a mistake.
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The grade he gets won't tell him that. The grading system sucks
 
#88
#88
If Hurd is out and if AK is wanting to dip, I hope he gets 3tds and 150 yards today. Go out on top and get paid.
 
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#89
#89
BruinVol said:
The grade he gets won't tell him that. The grading system sucks
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The grading system isn't the only place big players hear from. They get plenty of outside knowledge. Not all of it is what they need to hear but they get plenty of outside advise.
 
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jason3713 said:
The grading system isn't the only place big players hear from. They get plenty of outside knowledge. Not all of it is what they need to hear but they get plenty of outside advise.
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This is where a good coaching staff takes an active role in the process helping them make a rational decision.
 
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nashvol1 said:
This is where a good coaching staff takes an active role in the process helping them make a rational decision.
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I agree but kids will always question their motives.

The advisory board is really the only unbiased opinion they will get

The agents/family/friends always say higher than reality while coaches say lower
 
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BruinVol said:
The grade he gets won't tell him that. The grading system sucks
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I think it's better than the old system that used to give 3-5th round grades as well. I can't find the exact stats, but the advisory board is able to predict weather a kid will go in the first two rounds with a really high degree of certainty. Once you get to the 3rd round and beyond though, their accuracy fell closer to 50%.

So they had a lot of underclassmen leaving early every year because they saw that they had a 3rd round grade wondering wtf happened when they go in the 7th round or undrafted.


That's why they went to the 1st round, 2nd round, go back to school system.
 
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#93
jason3713 said:
Hurd not playing as much might not hurt us this game. When you have a big speed advantage you look to get to the edge. Kamara is more of a threat to spread the field than Hurd is.

I think Kamara gets the edge and runs wild on them. As soon as they worry more about keeping Kamara from getting the edge Dobbs pulls it and guts them up the middle.

Only problem is if Kamara is the feature back and runs wild his draft status might rise to a 4th round or so pick and he moves on.
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Pretty sure, of the two, Hurd is the fastest but Kamara is quicker. Hurd is deceivingly fast.
 
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#94
#94
Which one of you rednecks got in my car in Lakeland florida at a McDonald's this morning?

Wearing a morph suit.
 
#97
#97
Game day Butches! I'll be on the couch if anyone needs anything.
 
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