Recruiting Forum: Official Western Carolina Pre-Game/Game Thread

#27
#27
sam - thanks for trying to bring out buddy back from the brink. He's starting to sound too much like me. That being said, I believe the Lord shares with us his wisdom and discernment when he knows our hearts are right. The way I see it baby's exercising what he has been given to cut through the blind loyalty and devotion to the words of man. Call it a "learning experience" for him. lol.

I have learned from my past mistakes...Butch hasn't. Because of that, I'm skeptical about his coaching ability. It's going to start hurting him on the recruiting trail, too...may have already with Mecole...sounds like he slammed the door shut on us after this weekend. If and when he can prove to me that he can win a big game and open his playbook up, then I'll stop being skeptical. He has the roster to win THIS YEAR, and that was proven Saturday night. He needs to get out of his own way and quit convincing himself that we are too young. This team is so hungry, if he will just trust them. JUST WIN! I can live with losing because of a turnover due to aggressive play-calling, but not losing like Saturday night. As gut-wrenching as UGA 2013 was, I can live with that, because made some aggressive, play to win calls. Butch needs to find that guy who coached that game, and let him coach like that every game.
 
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#28
#28
OG Baby Avi, I feel like if we watched a game together we would be saying the same things every play and after every game lol. Your reasons are my reasons as well.

Anywho, time for a snap'n'clear game......hopefully. 51-3 Vols.
 
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I have learned from my past mistakes...Butch hasn't. Because of that, I'm skeptical about his coaching ability. It's going to start hurting him on the recruiting trail, too...may have already with Mecole...sounds like he slammed the door shut on us after this weekend. If and when he can prove to me that he can win a big game and open his playbook up, then I'll stop being skeptical. He has the roster to win THIS YEAR, and that was proven Saturday night. He needs to get out of his own way and quit convincing himself that we are too young. This team is so hungry, if he will just trust them. JUST WIN! I can live with losing because of a turnover due to aggressive play-calling, but not losing like Saturday night. As gut-wrenching as UGA 2013 was, I can live with that, because made some aggressive, play to win calls. Butch needs to find that guy who coached that game, and let him coach like that every game.

lol. I'm with you friend. A good sign of wisdom is to learn from mistakes and make changes. Not seeing enough of that with Butch. Half time adjustments are great indicators. In game adjustments are even better.

I think that there are many, many people that have knowledge and force of personality that easily convince others they are leaders. But football goes way beyond that. It is a game of strategy before, during and after the game with so many variables. You cannot quantify everything and play the percentages every time and expect to win when you have the opportunity against quality opponents. Call it feel, intuition, whatever. There is a flow to games and plays. Momentum or the lack of it is real because emotion plays a very real part. The other guys are doing the same things you are, trying to determine and create weaknesses in your team that they can exploit. So its not a static situation by any means. You have to adapt, change, evolve, encourage, motivate, etc. He dogmatically believes in his system to his own detriment IMO.

You are right on recruiting. You will understand the following. The primary talent he has will even be taken away when he does not produce the return for the master. Getting all Biblical up in here. :)
 
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#31
#31
If we don't comfortably win this game, I will be greatly concerned, more so than I already am. Granted, I'd picked us to lose to OU, but never in such soul crushing fashion. This is a 1-1 WCU team that lost 28-10 to the Citadel. Last year they were shut out 51-0 by UT Chatt, and beat the likes of Brevard, Catawba, Wofford, Mercer, and Furman, but lost to Presbyterian. If we allow more than 20 points and score less than 40 or 45 I will be disappointed.
 
#32
#32
I really don't care what the score is against WC and there is no doubt about winning. I want to see some talented young pups like Kirkland, Tuttle, K-Mack, JJ and Dormady out there doing their thing getting game experience. I also want to see them practice their offensive scheme against pressure defense since 9/26 they will be seeing it big time. Time to get real since the SEC schedule is coming.
 
#33
#33
I really don't care what the score is against WC and there is no doubt about winning. I want to see some talented young pups like Kirkland, Tuttle, K-Mack, JJ and Dormady out there doing their thing getting game experience. I also want to see them practice their offensive scheme against pressure defense since 9/26 they will be seeing it big time. Time to get real since the SEC schedule is coming.

Was just getting ready to say pretty much the exact same thing. I want the freshmen who are going to play this year get a lot of game experience.
 
#34
#34
lol. I'm with you friend. A good sign of wisdom is to learn from mistakes and make changes. Not seeing enough of that with Butch. Half time adjustments are great indicators. In game adjustments are even better.

I think that there are many, many people that have knowledge and force of personality that easily convince others they are leaders. But football goes way beyond that. It is a game of strategy before, during and after the game with so many variables. You cannot quantify everything and play the percentages every time and expect to win when you have the opportunity against quality opponents. Call it feel, intuition, whatever. There is a flow to games and plays. Momentum or the lack of it is real because emotion plays a very real part. The other guys are doing the same things you are, trying to determine and create weaknesses in your team that they can exploit. So its not a static situation by any means. You have to adapt, change, evolve, encourage, motivate, etc. He dogmatically believes in his system to his own detriment IMO.

You are right on recruiting. You will understand the following. The primary talent he has will even be taken away when he does not produce the return for the master. Getting all Biblical up in here. :)

Well said. I get your point at the end.
 
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#35
#35
Before I get to my views on this game, I need to rant a little bit. I understand that people are still frustrated about the loss and how we lost last week. I certainly wasn't happy either. Like I said in the other thread, I've seen valid criticisms about the team and coaches. However, I think the negativity has gotten excessive. Despite all the bad things people have pointed out about Butch and the staff the last couple days, he has also done some great things for the program.

1. He got our team out of academic trouble that we were on under the previous staff.

2. He has upgraded the roster in terms of talent and team speed.

3. In his first year, we ended our long losing streak to ranked opponents.

4. Last year, we won our first bowl game since 2007.

5. He has changed the culture of the team. We went from hoping that we could compete against the good teams to now expecting to compete in every game and have a chance at winning our division.

I can keep going on, but I think you guys and gals get the point. Again, I'm not trying to argue that you shouldn't be upset at the performance in the OU game. However, we as fans need to move on and continue to support the team that we love. We can still do great things this year. I said before the season that I think we would go 8-4, and I would be happy. Anything better would be icing on the cake.

Sorry about the rant, but I wanted to get this off my chest. As for my score predictions this week:

Tennessee: 55
WCU: 13
 
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#36
#36
Air the ball out. Dobbs should seriously throw it 50 times and target every WR in the three-deep. They won't do it, but it would be extremely valuable for him before the Florida game. We will absolutely have to connect on some passes in that game to win.

Hurd shouldn't have more than 10 carries. Let Kamara and Kelly split the reps.
 
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#39
#39
28? Are you saying our defense isn't as good as the Citadel, who held them to 10?

They'll be flat after an emotional loss, that's my prediction anyway. We have a very weak MLB, no Danny Obrien, and no Maggitt. They will score late in the game against the second string we put in.
 
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#42
They'll be flat after an emotional loss, that's my prediction anyway. We have a very weak MLB, no Danny Obrien, and no Maggitt. They will score late in the game against the second string we put in.

We have a guy at MLB that Western Carolina would
Love to have, Wetherd to replace Maggitt, and two 5-star DTs to replace O'brien

And I guarantee you this team will not be flat

63-13 vols
 
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#44
#44
Almost feel sorry for them. Gona be ugly.

No, it won't. What Ole Miss did to Fresno and whoever they played the 1st game was ugly. We will pull on the reins when we get up by 3 scores, which will be scored by a vanilla offense running same plays that we've been running.
 
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#47
#47
We have a guy at MLB that Western Carolina would
Love to have, Wetherd to replace Maggitt, and two 5-star DTs to replace O'brien

And I guarantee you this team will not be flat

63-13 vols

Where is dominant Kyle Phillips? Play him since he's ready coaches. Complaining about depth but Butch doesn't trust young players. It's clear now.....

Also if McNeil is back I wonder if TKjr will pair up with him on the back end. Randolph is good in the box but I truly don't trust him in coverage.
 
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#49
#49
Where is dominant Kyle Phillips? Play him since he's ready coaches. Complaining about depth but Butch doesn't trust young players. It's clear now.....

Also if McNeil is back I wonder if TKjr will pair up with him on the back end. Randolph is good in the box but I truly don't trust him in coverage.

AMEN! Pretty sure he never even saw a single snap Saturday. Ridiculous! Need to let Kirkland Jr. have a go at MLB as well while we're at it.
 

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