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Smokey123 said:
So firing Butch now instead of 4 weeks does what for 2018 and beyond? Help recruiting? No. Help find a coach? No. So what does it do?
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One last time.

You clearly don't see the incompetency displayed on the sidelines of every game. Which also extends to the game plan, playbook, 2-deep, etc. they utilize for each game. As HC he makes those final decisions.

With termination the AD sends the message that continuing incompetency is not acceptable and gives consideration to 3 existing staff coaches that have been HC at previous employers to take over the interim job (or Fulmer if willing). They then get to demonstrate their expertise and value in difficult circumstances to prospective employers to rally a talented, but badly led and developed team to a bowl game where the players will benefit in many ways.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Not even close.
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Dooley left better linebackers and an NFL offensive line. More productive WR's. Two SEC level RB's (current two are better though). NFL QB Peterman. Signed Cam Sutton.

Also technically left Tyler Bray and Butch couldn't convince him to stay.

Sure the roster as a whole is probably a bit better depth wise, but it's not as much better as many think.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Dooley left better linebackers and an NFL offensive line. More productive WR's. Two SEC level RB's (current two are better though). NFL QB Peterman. Signed Cam Sutton.

Also technically left Tyler Bray and Butch couldn't convince him to stay.

Sure the roster as a whole is probably a bit better depth wise, but it's not as much better as many think.
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Probably a bit better??


Dear Lord the blindness is unreal here
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Dooley left better linebackers and an NFL offensive line. More productive WR's. Two SEC level RB's (current two are better though). NFL QB Peterman. Signed Cam Sutton.

Also technically left Tyler Bray and Butch couldn't convince him to stay.

Sure the roster as a whole is probably a bit better depth wise, but it's not as much better as many think.
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Dooley left a disaster at O line. Got one year out of the line kiffin recruited.

Talent is there at WR. They have been coached by a high school coach this year.

Running backs for next guy are WAY better.

Got 2 4* QB on roster and two still committed for next year.

Defensive line has 4* players both young and old guys returning.

Talent at LB as well. Ignont Bituli and Kirkland all coming back.

Better talent for the next guy. Much more depth and SEC bodies at offensive and defensive line.

Biggest area for improvement is the strength and conditioning. Our team looks like they do pilates instead of lifting weights.
 
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The roster will be significantly better for the next coach in year two than it was for Butch (and year one for that matter)

No OL recruited in 2012 and 3 DTs total in 2014 made that year nearly a complete disaster. Actually kinda amazing that we made a bowl.
 
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Vols4us said:
One last time.

You clearly don't see the incompetency displayed on the sidelines of every game. Which also extends to the game plan, playbook, 2-deep, etc. they utilize for each game. As HC he makes those final decisions.

With termination the AD sends the message that continuing incompetency is not acceptable and gives consideration to 3 existing staff coaches that have been HC at previous employers to take over the interim job (or Fulmer if willing). They then get to demonstrate their expertise and value in difficult circumstances to prospective employers to rally a talented, but badly led and developed team to a bowl game where the players will benefit in many ways.
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Not firing a coach mid season doesn't say the incompetence shown by the HC is acceptable.

You base it off possibly making a bowl game. Who says we win games with an interim? So I'll ask again. What does it do for the future of this program? No, bowl practice doesn't count because nobody has any idea if a coach can lead us to 6-6
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Dooley left a disaster at O line. Got one year out of the line kiffin recruited.

Talent is there at WR. They have been coached by a high school coach this year.

Running backs for next guy are WAY better.

Got 2 4* QB on roster and two still committed for next year.

Defensive line has 4* players both young and old guys returning.

Talent at LB as well. Ignont Bituli and Kirkland all coming back.

Better talent for the next guy. Much more depth and SEC bodies at offensive and defensive line.

Biggest area for improvement is the strength and conditioning. Our team looks like they do pilates instead of lifting weights.
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Throw * ratings out the window for QBs especially. Also it’s hard to count on our WRs for being any good. They were playing terrible with QD too drooping passes. Same with players like ignot who have barely made an impact.
 
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Maybe it's just me being fed up, but did Butch seem to be a better gameday coach his first 3 years than his last 2?
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
If Currie has someone to announce as new HC today Butch would be publicly gone by now. He doesn't and probably doesn't want it to be a lingering question that then leads to prospective candidates being badgered with questions before they are ready for them. This is all stuff that matters.

If it's Gruden which I doubt it is then he isn't ready for an announcement. If it's someone Else it's because they have a current season to complete.

On a side note Football Scoop saying Taggert buyout would be easy for someone or himself to buyout. Sounds like Oregon AD pulled a Hammy and may get left in the dust.... he is a Florida native. Could be in play at FL if not TN would be smart to have him on our list as well knowing his buyout is $4.6 million which can be spread over 48 months
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Aschoff from ESPN was on Nashville radio this morning linking Taggarts name to UF saying he would be at the top of their list.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I wasn't around here in the spring but I would've been with you on it. I predicted a 6-6 regular season but honestly thought the talent was a bit better than that.

Both lines are going to be absolutely overhauled when a new coach comes in. Next year is going to be as ugly as this one, probably.

A lot of the expectations here are unreasonable. The roster is about even from where Dooley left it.
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The lines are not going to be overhauled next year, who are they going to overhaul them with? If they don't hurry and get on to making a good hire, they sure as hell ain't going to be getting any help from this class.
 
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HankHill said:
Dooley:
QB
WR
OL
LB

Jones:
RB
TE
Safety
CB

I think DL is a wash.

It’s pretty debatable.
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It's only QB if you include bray, bray never played a down for Butch. WR's were Pig, Croom, Josh Smith, North(didn't Butch recruit him tho?). WR's are debatable imo
 
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HankHill said:
Throw * ratings out the window for QBs especially. Also it’s hard to count on our WRs for being any good. They were playing terrible with QD too drooping passes. Same with players like ignot who have barely made an impact.
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With four 4* QBs the chances are good that you can find a guy who can play.

WR are being coached by a guy who is in way over his head. Was coaching high schoolers a year ago.
 
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