Recruiting Forum Talk XXXIX

[GoBigOrange86]

I'm afraid if we make the wrong hire again this program will never be elite again. At least not for a very long time. If we hire some bum, we'll be considered a bottom feeder program in this league from here on out IMO. Such a critical hire.

That's my fear too. We've lost an entire generation of fans and potential recruits.

We're not at Colorado level, but we're knocking on the door.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I know..if Candy beats us again this year, does that mean we are officially the doormat of the SEC?..SMH..how did it come to this?

Candy isn't remotely close in recruiting either. Laughing stock is appropriate.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm afraid if we make the wrong hire again this program will never be elite again. At least not for a very long time. If we hire some bum, we'll be considered a bottom feeder program in this league from here on out IMO. Such a critical hire.

At this point, I would be happy with competence..Elite seems like a billion miles away

 

[amazingGRACE]

They truly have failed a fanbase that deserves far, far better.

It was just a year ago that we were 5-0 and I had finally allowed myself to believe Tennessee was fixed. It feels much longer ago than that.

It was pretty obvious over the past few seasons that Butch wasn't a good coach.

All of the roster mismanagement, clock mismanagement, lack of in game adjustments, questionable hires, etc etc.

Last year Dobbs & company covered up a ton of glaring weaknesses that have been evident since Butch's first season.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I'm afraid if we make the wrong hire again this program will never be elite again. At least not for a very long time. If we hire some bum, we'll be considered a bottom feeder program in this league from here on out IMO. Such a critical hire.

I think there's enough money put in this program that we'll always be able to dig ourselves out of any hole.

However, I have been batting the idea around in my head that maybe Majors and Fulmer were just legendary level coaches and we took their greatness as an indication the program was/is infallible. Maybe we didn't know what we had.

 

[orangefreak21]

A loss today would give us the same SEC record as Vandy since 2011..16-36.


Woof....like a punch to the gut.

Damn

 

[MrVolton]

I think there's enough money put in this program that we'll always be able to dig ourselves out of any hole.

However, I have been batting the idea around in my head that maybe Majors and Fulmer were just legendary level coaches and we took their greatness as an indication the program was/is infallible. Maybe we didn't know what we had.

There have always been ups and downs, but historically, the last decade + of $6¡t has been more the exception than the rule.

This is the case for most major programs, with very few exepctions. There is no sense in selling the program short.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Candy isn't remotely close in recruiting either. Laughing stock is appropriate.

Getting the same results with about half the *s..That is some horrid coaching.

 

[Vols4us]

It was pretty obvious over the past few seasons that Butch wasn't a good coach.

All of the roster mismanagement, clock mismanagement, lack of in game adjustments, questionable hires, etc etc.

Last year Dobbs & company covered up a ton of glaring weaknesses that have been evident since Butch's first season.

This.

Many of us have known, but we had hopes he would grow as a coach and learn from his hard headed experiences. He didn't. Should have been fired after UGA. UMass should have been a wake-up call to the UTAD. Let an interim try to resurrect the season and relevance with the fan base, roster and recruits. There is no valid reason to think the potential of an interim would cause division when the new HC is hired.

 

[85SugarVol]

Apparently this is being towed behind a plane around Tuscaloosa today

What does it say?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

There have always been ups and downs, but historically, the last decade + of $6¡t has been more the exception than the rule.

This is the case for most major programs, with very few exepctions. There is no sense in selling the program short.

Wake up and smell the stockyard.

 

[amazingGRACE]

What does it say?

"Butch your mom still loves you"

 

[unioncityvol]

Big Jim is 87, just got billions more dollars. Hook us up as a farewell and buy butch out and make Gruden/Kelly/Stoops say no.

 

[DD4ME]

Always darkest before the dawn. This feels as low as the Dooley years but we are only short one good coach from taking off.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I think there's enough money put in this program that we'll always be able to dig ourselves out of any hole.

However, I have been batting the idea around in my head that maybe Majors and Fulmer were just legendary level coaches and we took their greatness as an indication the program was/is infallible. Maybe we didn't know what we had.

As we all know every major program out there had dips. Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, Texas, Penn State, etc. Thing is, we're getting to the point to where we've been in the wilderness for a good bit longer than most of those programs were. The longer we stay out there, the more the Tennessee brand vanishes away. Like Mathews said the other day, we're one more bad hire away from turning into Nebraska. Nobody gives two craps about them and they're no longer viewed as a top program.

 

[Souce]

Always darkest before the dawn. This feels as low as the Dooley years but we are only short one good coach from taking off.

Amen.

 

[butchna]

Liked.

:hi:

 

[MrVolton]

Wake up and smell the stockyard.

We are currently down it, no doubt about it. But people need to stop thinking that this program is historically mediocre, and we should just accept it. Look up any criteria, numbers of wins, number of conference/division/national champiosnships, and we are top 10-12. And those numbers are even skewed by the historic mess of the last twelve years. Historically, we aren't a mediocre program, the period over the last twelve years is an outlier.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I think there's enough money put in this program that we'll always be able to dig ourselves out of any hole.

However, I have been batting the idea around in my head that maybe Majors and Fulmer were just legendary level coaches and we took their greatness as an indication the program was/is infallible. Maybe we didn't know what we had.

I've had a similar idea, but I think I'd be more convinced if we had *only* been good in the 80s and 90s. I toss Colorado's name around as a warning, but I think your idea characterizes them far better than it does us. It's true that CU has been epically bad since about 2005 (in ways that would make Tennessee fans blush), but over the course of their history they've been a decent program, not an elite one. They had an elite coach in Bill McCartney who took them to unimaginable heights, and then they largely reverted to form. Add in administrative ineptitude and athletic corruption/scandal, and they were effectively destroyed.

Tennessee, on the other hand, has been consistently good to great until the last 10 years (in which we've had 15% of all the losses the program has ever suffered). While Colorado may never again be truly consistently elite, Tennessee has the ingredients to be so. Administrative incompetence has badly wounded them, but not to where it's unrecoverable.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Always darkest before the dawn. This feels as low as the Dooley years but we are only short one good coach from taking off.

I feel like we've been saying this for 10 years. It's time to put up or shut up. If we hire some bum that nobody knows, we're in danger of becoming a bottom level program in this league most years with the occasional 8 or 9 win season.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think there's enough money put in this program that we'll always be able to dig ourselves out of any hole.

However, I have been batting the idea around in my head that maybe Majors and Fulmer were just legendary level coaches and we took their greatness as an indication the program was/is infallible. Maybe we didn't know what we had.

Our history mirrors Bama so much.

 

[theutvolunteers]

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[DD4ME]

Think about where we are as a program now.

Recruiting we are ranked 12th by rivals over the last five years. Behind Clemson...

12. TENNESSEE

Ranks last 5 years: 15, 15, 5, 5, 21 -- 12.2

Facilities
We have a juice bar so expensive people make jokes.
Indoor practice - yes
Weight room - yes
Stadium - uh yeah

Power players
We have Peyton damn Manning involved and Fulmer offering assistance. Recall Fulmer helped ETSU start from scratch.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Our history mirrors Bama so much.

Our peak was never Bama's peak but I do agree we're the closest to them in the SEC.

Just get me an interim coach. That's the first step. Take the shadow off our players and eliminate any more "champions of life" style blunders in press conferences.

We're ready to win and there's nothing that should stop a good coach from being successful.

 

[Souce]

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