Recruiting strategy

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I know this a ND article but I would like to know if you guys think are we going to the same strategy at Tennessee????


Brian Kelly's woes and plans for the future

from CBS Sportsline.com:

"They do have some higher profile kids," Crabtree said of the '11 class, "but there are a lot of Brian Kelly-type of kids in there, three-star guys that have the potential to be great. Guys that will not make mental errors, who are coachable. That's something that's kind of overlooked."

Wait, three stars? That 2007 class had 13 (out of 18 signees) four- or five-star guys. The 2011 class has 10 (out of 19 commitments) rated with three stars or less.

"Three-star guys also means we project NFL potential and for them to be a multi-year starter," Crabtree explained. "There's a lot of three-star guys that end up doing quite well ... If they are half an inch short, get them in the right system, get them with the right coach, they end up being great football players."
 
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volswitten1 said:
I know this a ND article but I would like to know if you guys think are we going to the same strategy at Tennessee????


Brian Kelly's woes and plans for the future

from CBS Sportsline.com:

"They do have some higher profile kids," Crabtree said of the '11 class, "but there are a lot of Brian Kelly-type of kids in there, three-star guys that have the potential to be great. Guys that will not make mental errors, who are coachable. That's something that's kind of overlooked."

Wait, three stars? That 2007 class had 13 (out of 18 signees) four- or five-star guys. The 2011 class has 10 (out of 19 commitments) rated with three stars or less.

"Three-star guys also means we project NFL potential and for them to be a multi-year starter," Crabtree explained. "There's a lot of three-star guys that end up doing quite well ... If they are half an inch short, get them in the right system, get them with the right coach, they end up being great football players."
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IMO this is what Dooley & staff are doing, finding kids that want to be here, that WILL QUALIFY, that we stay out of trouble, & kids that will play with a chip on their shoulder & allowed to be coached up.
 
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I think that is absolutely what we're doing. But our numbers are down and we seem to be going after depth right now. With that being said, we'll begin to get our share of the 4 and 5 star guys. I'm not ready to hit the panic button on this year's class or this staff........yet.
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The only reason people are not criticizing Kelly in recruiting is because he's a proven coach. CDD still has to prove his worth which i hope he does.
 
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I saw this quote and it definitely gives me hope on the recruiting front, b/c frankly, I don't know what to think anymore when it comes to stars and recruiting services and all the hype that surrounds these 17 year old kids.

The thing that worries me about Kelly's statement is he focuses on 2 things in being successful with a team full of 3*s-- the style of play and the coach. I'm not an advocate of UT going to a spread by any means, but it's hard to compare what we're trying to do with what Oregon has done the last few years b/c of the differences in our style of offense. Yes, Oregon has definitely proved that in a spread offense, you can coach up 3* kids, especially if you have just one or two huge play-makers mixed in like they have. But what Oregon has not done is proven that you could take those same 3* players, put them in a pro-style offense in the SEC, and have them be successful. If a lot of these recruits end up being 3*s, Dooley will have his chance to prove it.
 
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Its definetely what we are doing especially considering how short we are on depth. Its kind of a must right now. We will add our share of 4 and 5 stars guys by signing day and next year we can take more chances. Then we will see if DD can coach the way we hope he can. Problem is waiting...none of us are very good at that!!
 
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If I had to choose, I'd rather have two 3* 4 yr players than 1 5* Freshman.

Ultimately I'd like a mix of a bunch of 3-4 yr 3* quality players with some 4-5* sprinkled in.

Quality guys who've been in the program multiple years are very valuable and should be the foundation of a very good team.
 
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Dooley's recruiting strategy is very simple -

He's looking for guys who are team players and are willing to sacrifice self for team.

I had an interesting conversation with a guy on Monday night who has had some inside time with the program. Every single recruit sits down with a sports psychologist (and for the life of me I can't remember his name but he's the same guy that has been used by Bama, Dallas, the Steelers, etc.) who gives Dooley an evaluation of him. If the recruit is a "me" guy and not a "team" guy then Dooley wants no part of him.

Too long of a conversation to type here, but that is what the gist is of the type of guy and class Dooley wants.
 
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Highly ranked guys who wash out are worthless.

Not that I'm arguing all 4-5* guys wash out, just Tennessee's record with them has not been great in recent years.
 
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IMO Dooley filled our biggest needs first, which were linemen, who typically are not 4 or 5* guys, some are, but linemen are the toughest to evaluate so 3* is a safe bet most of the time. Now that he has a solid base for the class I think he will add quite a few more 4* guys, 6-8 from what I have read on here from people who know like Lord Vader and J-moore_21. I love the big name recruits as much as anyone, but I'll will take a Nick Reveiz and a Chris Walker any day of the week. I want guys who bleed orange. That might be old school, but that I how I feel. When Kiffin left, Chris Walker was interviewed and he said, "We were Tennessee before Kiffin, and we WILL be Tennessee after Kiffin." I want those guys on my team. Thats just my two cents.
 
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this makes no since to me why are we going after a lot of Brian Kelly-type of kids, I would think that Dooley would go after his type of kids.
 
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tnvols106 said:
this makes no since to me why are we going after a lot of Brian Kelly-type of kids, I would think that Dooley would go after his type of kids.
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The story and quote at the beginning of this thread is about Notre Dame. The OP is just saying he believes our staff is taking a similar approach this recruiting cycle to that of Brian Kelly and ND. Kelly's getting his solid, hard-working, intelligent guys. Dooley's getting his hard-working, team-oriented, intelligent guys.
 
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PMC2726 said:
I saw this quote and it definitely gives me hope on the recruiting front, b/c frankly, I don't know what to think anymore when it comes to stars and recruiting services and all the hype that surrounds these 17 year old kids.

The thing that worries me about Kelly's statement is he focuses on 2 things in being successful with a team full of 3*s-- the style of play and the coach. I'm not an advocate of UT going to a spread by any means, but it's hard to compare what we're trying to do with what Oregon has done the last few years b/c of the differences in our style of offense. Yes, Oregon has definitely proved that in a spread offense, you can coach up 3* kids, especially if you have just one or two huge play-makers mixed in like they have. But what Oregon has not done is proven that you could take those same 3* players, put them in a pro-style offense in the SEC, and have them be successful. If a lot of these recruits end up being 3*s, Dooley will have his chance to prove it.
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Precisely. There is zero history of consistent success in a pro-style system in the SEC with a team loaded down with 3* talent.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Dooley's recruiting strategy is very simple -

He's looking for guys who are team players and are willing to sacrifice self for team.

I had an interesting conversation with a guy on Monday night who has had some inside time with the program. Every single recruit sits down with a sports psychologist (and for the life of me I can't remember his name but he's the same guy that has been used by Bama, Dallas, the Steelers, etc.) who gives Dooley an evaluation of him. If the recruit is a "me" guy and not a "team" guy then Dooley wants no part of him.

Too long of a conversation to type here, but that is what the gist is of the type of guy and class Dooley wants.
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Except that's not really true -- the players he's getting commitments are described like that, but he's trying, and simply losing out, on the higher rated players. He has the commitments he has because he lost the recruiting battles so far for the better players, not because he chose to go with lesser-rated players.
 
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VegasVol said:
Except that's not really true -- the players he's getting commitments are described like that, but he's trying, and simply losing out, on the higher rated players. He has the commitments he has because he lost the recruiting battles so far for the better players, not because he chose to go with lesser-rated players.
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Please share your wealth of knowledge about how you know Dooley has lost any recruiting battles so far. Examples would be nice, not just you're own useless opinion.
 
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VegasVol said:
Except that's not really true -- the players he's getting commitments are described like that, but he's trying, and simply losing out, on the higher rated players. He has the commitments he has because he lost the recruiting battles so far for the better players, not because he chose to go with lesser-rated players.
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Has he lost those battles? Or has he simply not CHOSEN to fight those battles?
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tigervol9802 said:
Dooley's recruiting strategy is very simple -

He's looking for guys who are team players and are willing to sacrifice self for team.

I had an interesting conversation with a guy on Monday night who has had some inside time with the program. Every single recruit sits down with a sports psychologist (and for the life of me I can't remember his name but he's the same guy that has been used by Bama, Dallas, the Steelers, etc.) who gives Dooley an evaluation of him. If the recruit is a "me" guy and not a "team" guy then Dooley wants no part of him.

Too long of a conversation to type here, but that is what the gist is of the type of guy and class Dooley wants.
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That's interesting information. But Dooley also appears to be recruiting players that fit specific position needs. For example, he's recruited two 3* CBs, both six feet tall with 4.4 40 speed and moves that the staff examined first hand in camp. Your post covers some of the guys Dooley took last year, psychologically speaking. But if you look at them, they also did not look to be tweeners after a year or two of development on the team. Those needing to gain weight were built for it. I think that Dooley's recruited good mental and physical ball players. He does need a half dozen or so real impact players. Could be he'll get enough of those also.
 
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He also recruited a 250-lb DE with 4.4 40 speed, as well as a 330-lb nose tackle from a state with two recruiting monsters.
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VegasVol said:
Except that's not really true -- the players he's getting commitments are described like that, but he's trying, and simply losing out, on the higher rated players. He has the commitments he has because he lost the recruiting battles so far for the better players, not because he chose to go with lesser-rated players.
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I'm looking for examples.

Dooley will also probably win the battle for Couch, Arnett, Richardson, Clear, and Wright.
 
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OaklandTnVol said:
See, the thing is that if he gives examples he wouldn't have an arguement because he has none.
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Agree I mean we didn't beat anybody for Kerbyson or AJ Johnson. We also didn't beat anyone for Worley, Smith (has a UF offer now), Dallas, Martin, and Posey.

Some guys like to hear themselves talk because they think by talking it makes them a guru when in reality they just prove their ignorance.
 
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tvols75 said:
Agree I mean we didn't beat anybody for Kerbyson or AJ Johnson. We also didn't beat anyone for Worley, Smith (has a UF offer now), Dallas, Martin, and Posey.

Some guys like to hear themselves talk because they think by talking it makes them a guru when in reality they just prove their ignorance.
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Exactly, we were those guys only choice I guess.
 
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Also, I'm pretty sure Crowder picked up a UF offer at the last second & they wanted him to come for a visit & he said no thanks then commited to Tennessee.
 
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