Recruiting strategy

#26
#26
General pattern has been that our higher rated prospects, or ones with more potential, picked up offers after receiving a vol offer or committing to the vols. But I agree, we haven't really had to battle for anyone. Arnett, Clear, Richardson, and Wright will be a MUCH different story. This is where Dooley and staff can make a name for themselves.
 
#27
#27
I'll say this, if the staff finds a way to sign Wright, Pagan, & Arnett the noone on this board should be questioning their ability to recruit!
 
#28
#28
tvols75 said:
I'm looking for examples.

Dooley will also probably win the battle for Couch, Arnett, Richardson, Clear, and Wright.
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Here I thought I was dealing with all the "recruiting experts" who like to explain to everyone how only they know recruiting (usually while predicting over-the-top finishes and excessive expectations of our recruits compared to others). But here you go:

Top 250 Players Offered by Dooley But Committed Elsewhere
1. Hart
2. Tuitt
3. Driskel
4. Collins
5. Wilder
6. Miller
7. Anthony Johnson
8. Bellamy
9. Karlos Williams
10. Brent Calloway
11. Seferian-Jenkins
12. Bridgewater
13. Pagan
14. Hilliard
15. Landry
16. Rose
17. Lemay
18. Leonard
19. Hayes
20. Green
21. Peake
22. Bailey
23. Maclain
24. Vaughters
25. Holliman
26. Brassell
27. Bigelow
28. C.J. Johnson
29. Blakely
30. Shazier
31. Chickillo
32. Newberry
33. Bobby Hart
34. Lane
35. Tyler Moore
36. Diggs
37. Blackwell
38. Josh Turner
39. Fanning
40. Steve Miller
41. Nick Vannett
42. Shannon Brown
43. Kasen Williams
44. Jalen Grimble
45. Jameel Poteat
46. Zach Debell
47. Chris Barnett
48. Bradley Sylve
49. Daniel Lasco
50. Clifton Richardson
51. Tacoi Sumler
52. Danny Woodson
53. Kiaro Holts

Top 250 Players Offered by Dooley But Unlikely to UT
1. Clowney
2. Farmer
3. O'Leary
4. Grant
5. Hobbi
6. Kouandjio
7. Townsend
8. Drew
9. Jernigan
10. Rome
11. Dawson
12. Lyons
13. Greg Robinson
14. Anthony Wallace
15. Sammy Watkins
16. Crowell
17. Damian Swann
18. Jacoby Brissett
19. Travis Hughes
20. Avery Walls
21. Todd Barr
22. Townsend
23. Fulse
24. Rasco
25. Shell
26. Gorman
27. Otis
28. Buie
29. Benjamin
30. Mitchell
31. Singleton
32. Bray
33. Gosha
34. Niklas
35. Coe
36. Countess
37. Terrell
 
#30
#30
VegasVol said:
Here I thought I was dealing with all the "recruiting experts" who like to explain to everyone how only they know recruiting (usually while predicting over-the-top finishes and excessive expectations of our recruits compared to others). But here you go:

Top 250 Players Offered by Dooley But Committed Elsewhere
1. Hart
2. Tuitt
3. Driskel
4. Collins
5. Wilder
6. Miller
7. Anthony Johnson
8. Bellamy
9. Karlos Williams
10. Brent Calloway
11. Seferian-Jenkins
12. Bridgewater
13. Pagan
14. Hilliard
15. Landry
16. Rose
17. Lemay
18. Leonard
19. Hayes
20. Green
21. Peake
22. Bailey
23. Maclain
24. Vaughters
25. Holliman
26. Brassell
27. Bigelow
28. C.J. Johnson
29. Blakely
30. Shazier
31. Chickillo
32. Newberry
33. Bobby Hart
34. Lane
35. Tyler Moore
36. Diggs
37. Blackwell
38. Josh Turner
39. Fanning
40. Steve Miller
41. Nick Vannett
42. Shannon Brown
43. Kasen Williams
44. Jalen Grimble
45. Jameel Poteat
46. Zach Debell
47. Chris Barnett
48. Bradley Sylve
49. Daniel Lasco
50. Clifton Richardson
51. Tacoi Sumler
52. Danny Woodson
53. Kiaro Holts

Top 250 Players Offered by Dooley But Unlikely to UT
1. Clowney
2. Farmer
3. O'Leary
4. Grant
5. Hobbi
6. Kouandjio
7. Townsend
8. Drew
9. Jernigan
10. Rome
11. Dawson
12. Lyons
13. Greg Robinson
14. Anthony Wallace
15. Sammy Watkins
16. Crowell
17. Damian Swann
18. Jacoby Brissett
19. Travis Hughes
20. Avery Walls
21. Todd Barr
22. Townsend
23. Fulse
24. Rasco
25. Shell
26. Gorman
27. Otis
28. Buie
29. Benjamin
30. Mitchell
31. Singleton
32. Bray
33. Gosha
34. Niklas
35. Coe
36. Countess
37. Terrell
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That list will be just as long for Saban, Meyer, and the majority of the coaches in the country. Nice try though.
 
#31
#31
VegasVol said:
Here I thought I was dealing with all the "recruiting experts" who like to explain to everyone how only they know recruiting (usually while predicting over-the-top finishes and excessive expectations of our recruits compared to others). But here you go:

Top 250 Players Offered by Dooley But Committed Elsewhere
1. Hart
2. Tuitt
3. Driskel
4. Collins
5. Wilder
6. Miller
7. Anthony Johnson
8. Bellamy
9. Karlos Williams
10. Brent Calloway
11. Seferian-Jenkins
12. Bridgewater
13. Pagan
14. Hilliard
15. Landry
16. Rose
17. Lemay
18. Leonard
19. Hayes
20. Green
21. Peake
22. Bailey
23. Maclain
24. Vaughters
25. Holliman
26. Brassell
27. Bigelow
28. C.J. Johnson
29. Blakely
30. Shazier
31. Chickillo
32. Newberry
33. Bobby Hart
34. Lane
35. Tyler Moore
36. Diggs
37. Blackwell
38. Josh Turner
39. Fanning
40. Steve Miller
41. Nick Vannett
42. Shannon Brown
43. Kasen Williams
44. Jalen Grimble
45. Jameel Poteat
46. Zach Debell
47. Chris Barnett
48. Bradley Sylve
49. Daniel Lasco
50. Clifton Richardson
51. Tacoi Sumler
52. Danny Woodson
53. Kiaro Holts

Top 250 Players Offered by Dooley But Unlikely to UT
1. Clowney
2. Farmer
3. O'Leary
4. Grant
5. Hobbi
6. Kouandjio
7. Townsend
8. Drew
9. Jernigan
10. Rome
11. Dawson
12. Lyons
13. Greg Robinson
14. Anthony Wallace
15. Sammy Watkins
16. Crowell
17. Damian Swann
18. Jacoby Brissett
19. Travis Hughes
20. Avery Walls
21. Todd Barr
22. Townsend
23. Fulse
24. Rasco
25. Shell
26. Gorman
27. Otis
28. Buie
29. Benjamin
30. Mitchell
31. Singleton
32. Bray
33. Gosha
34. Niklas
35. Coe
36. Countess
37. Terrell
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Are you really that dumb? Do you know how many schools offer about 90-100+ players? Guess what it will end up the same for every team of getting 25-28 of the players offered. You cannot be this dumb.
 
#33
#33
tvols75 said:
Are you really that dumb? Do you know how many schools offer about 90-100+ players? Guess what it will end up the same for every team of getting 25-28 of the players offered. You cannot be this dumb.
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Don't sell the guy short.
 
#34
#34
Wonder what this guy thinks about Dooley wanting Tino Thomas over Countess and Walls? And Kerbyson over the 4 star kid from Delaware?

Countess, Walls, and that kid from Delaware (forgot his name) would be Vols right now and our ranking would be in the top 15 but Dooley felt like Tino and Kerbyson were better.
 
#36
#36
tvols75 said:
Wonder what this guy thinks about Dooley wanting Tino Thomas over Countess and Walls? And Kerbyson over the 4 star kid from Delaware?

Countess, Walls, and that kid from Delaware (forgot his name) would be Vols right now and our ranking would be in the top 15 but Dooley felt like Tino and Kerbyson were better.
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Trip Thurman?

Sounded like a real prima donna to me
 
#41
#41
tvols75 said:
Yeah... but if Dooley had wanted him he could've gotten him. He grew up a Vol fan yet Dooley never offered because he liked Kerbyson and Posey better.
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I agree that Dooley could have gotten Thurman.

I just remember how it was reported that Thurman acted like a brat when he felt snubbed by Dooley & staff during an unscheduled visit down for the Orange & White game.

Lots of drama....last thing we need around here imo
 
#42
#42
VegasVol said:
Yeah, going 5-for-95 in 4/5* targets is some success.
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Please don't be foolish. Not even the most elite programs can land the majority of four- and five-star players. Even if they do, how will those players who are already good become GREAT without top-notch coaching and discipline?
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#43
#43
ajvol01 said:
I agree that Dooley could have gotten Thurman.

I just remember how it was reported that Thurman acted like a brat when he felt snubbed by Dooley & staff during an unscheduled visit down for the Orange & White game.

Lots of drama....last thing we need around here imo
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Guy like that belongs with the slimy reptiles.
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#44
#44
tvols75 said:
Agree I mean we didn't beat anybody for Kerbyson or AJ Johnson. We also didn't beat anyone for Worley, Smith (has a UF offer now), Dallas, Martin, and Posey.

Some guys like to hear themselves talk because they think by talking it makes them a guru when in reality they just prove their ignorance.
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Remember that old ESPN article that said Worley's top suitors were LSU and Notre Dame and then "surprisingly" haha picked UT? AJ is still being actively recruited by Florida. How are those not somebody significant we beat for these commits?
 
#45
#45
wwilso29 said:
Remember that old ESPN article that said Worley's top suitors were LSU and Notre Dame and then "surprisingly" haha picked UT? AJ is still being actively recruited by Florida. How are those not somebody significant we beat for these commits?
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I think you may have missed the sarcasm in my post.
 
#46
#46
So, here's the "genius" insight of the "insiders" here:

1. We didn't really "want" any of the 95 4/5* players missed out on; we really only "wanted" the 3* guys we typically didn't have recruiting competition for;
2. We have Juda Paker higher on our board than Clowney, because, dude, he's just that much better and no one knows it;
3. All the 4/5* recruits who said no thanks are actually talent-less players who everyone in the country has missed out on (even all the ones we offered) because the "experts" on here "know" better.

What a complete joke.
 
#47
#47
tvols75 said:
Are you really that dumb? Do you know how many schools offer about 90-100+ players? Guess what it will end up the same for every team of getting 25-28 of the players offered. You cannot be this dumb.
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You cannot be that dumb to claim that a success rate of landing 2 4/5* players out of 90+ offered is a great recruiting outcome. No, you don't get everybody; but landing only 2 of your top 90 targets is getting whipped by your SEC competition.

Here's a little comparison for you, since you're obviously not knowledgable enough to know otherwise:

# of Top 250 Players
Dooley
Offered: 95
Committed: 2
Considering: 6

Saban
Offered: 91
Committed: 9
Considering: 15

(Math Aid to Volnation Recruiting "Experts" -- 9 out of 91 is better than 2 out of 95)
 
#48
#48
OaklandTnVol said:
That list will be just as long for Saban, Meyer, and the majority of the coaches in the country. Nice try though.
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You're wrong. And that's the problem.

Commitment Rate of Top 250 Amongst Those Offered
Saban 2010: 16%
Saban 2009: 20%
Saban 2008: 24%
Meyer 2010: 24%
Meyer 2009: 17%
Meyer 2008: 18%

Dooley is currently around 2% and will likely finish around 4%; that's the problem.
 
#49
#49
It's easy to understand why people choose to ignore data when it stacks up against you like this. :(

I'm interested in seeing some cogent responses to this data since everyone asked.
 
#50
#50
VegasVol said:
You're wrong. And that's the problem.

Commitment Rate of Top 250 Amongst Those Offered
Saban 2010: 16%
Saban 2009: 20%
Saban 2008: 24%
Meyer 2010: 24%
Meyer 2009: 17%
Meyer 2008: 18%

Dooley is currently around 2% and will likely finish around 4%; that's the problem.
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The problem is the crap pile Dooley was left...can you blame any of these uncommited recruits for being hesistant?

Dooley has his back against the wall in so many ways it's ridiculous...and yet you expect him to pull the same guys that two of the most successful coaches at two of the hottest programs in the country are pulling...do you have any idea how unreasonable that is?

Dooley is filling needs with quality players...several of which (Kerbyson, Smith, Randolph, Coleman, Dallas, Worley, Williams) are believed to be underrated by several people...and he's also setting us up for a great finish with several 4*'s....

Do me a favor...if you don't have a Rivals subscription use the 7 day free trial and go compare the films for the following players...

Kerbyson to Trip Thurman
Coleman to Jonathan Aiken
Randolph to Avery Walls
Smith to Devonta Freeman
Dallas to Terell Chestnut
Williams to Corey Marshall

Can you say with absolute certainty that any of the players on the right are significantly better than the UT commit on the left that I've compared them to?

Would your opinion of Dooley and our current class really be differant if Rivals gave these borderline 4* commits the 0.1 or 0.2 points they need for that irreplaceable and irrefutable 4th star?

You're calling this current class horrible and our coach a terrible recruiter because a bunch of guys who mostly have never played college football have made a subjective decision to not put an extra star next to those players names

But I'm sure I just wasted alot of my time and effort...neither one of us are going to change the other ones opinion on this
 
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