Red Scare?

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AshG said:
I'm confused. I'm also not having a dishonest conversation.
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Here’s a great example. Both Christianity and Judaism both place large importance on marriage.

Do you believe this example of influence on American society is a net positive, neutral, or negative?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Here’s a great example. Both Christianity and Judaism both place large importance on marriage.

Do you believe this example of influence on American society is a net positive, neutral, or negative?
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When did the term Judeo-Christian see its primary use change from referring to a Jewish convert to Christianity to the meaning you're ascribing to it?
 
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#54
Franklin Pierce said:
It is not difficult to view you as a Fellow Traveler.
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I had to look that up. Old pejorative that hasn't seen much use following the McCarthy witch hunts.

Following up on that, I found the term red baiting. It explains quite a bit of what goes on here. Pick someone you disagree with and label, accuse, attack, or persecute them as an anarchist, stalinist, socialist, communist, Marxist, fellow traveler etc in order to either shame them into compliance or segregate them away from interaction.

Thanks for the opportunity to learn.
 
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AshG said:
When did the term Judeo-Christian see its primary use change from referring to a Jewish convert to Christianity to the meaning you're ascribing to it?
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Is this rhetorical or do you have an answer for it? I also noticed you ignored my question again
 
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Vol8188 said:
Is this rhetorical or do you have an answer for it? I also noticed you ignored my question again
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Good lord, you're pushy. You're not entitled to tell me how and when to respond. I'd enjoy a quality discussion, but you're approaching a level of bossiness reserved for my wife.

Marriage is not limited to or exclusive to either the Jewish tradition or the Christian tradition. The move away from monogamous relationships and multiple adult influence in child rearing to an increase in single parent influence / limited extended family engagement goes against multiple cultures and creeds.
 
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AshG said:
Good lord, you're pushy. You're not entitled to tell me how and when to respond. I'd enjoy a quality discussion, but you're approaching a level of bossiness reserved for my wife.

Marriage is not limited to or exclusive to either the Jewish tradition or the Christian tradition. The move away from monogamous relationships and multiple adult influence in child rearing to an increase in single parent influence / limited extended family engagement goes against multiple cultures and creeds.
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How can you claim you’d enjoy a quality discussion while refusing to engage in the discussion? If you asked me questions and I responded with something completely different, I’m not having a discussion. I’m now just talking at you.

I’m not claiming marriage is exclusive to any one culture but I am saying it’s something the left has stopped championing and that it is a shared Judeo Christian value
 
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Vol8188 said:
How can you claim you’d enjoy a quality discussion while refusing to engage in the discussion? If you asked me questions and I responded with something completely different, I’m not having a discussion. I’m now just talking at you.

I’m not claiming marriage is exclusive to any one culture but I am saying it’s something the left has stopped championing and that it is a shared Judeo Christian value
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I'm still trying to figure out the rules of engagement with you. I'm a neurodivergent individual and non linear thinker, so I'm having to adapt on the fly to your initially unspoken demand that I answer things in the order you present them and on the timetable you demand.

The concept of Judeo-Christian America isn't even 100 years old. It was a political creation in the mid/late 1930s meant to stave off growing antisemitism among nationalists. Its effectiveness in reorienting thought still ripples to this day.

It's like most Tennessee fans think we've always had the Salute to the Hill or opened the T. It has always been and always will be. When, in fact, it wasn't.
 
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AshG said:
I'm still trying to figure out the rules of engagement with you. I'm a neurodivergent individual and non linear thinker, so I'm having to adapt on the fly to your initially unspoken demand that I answer things in the order you present them and on the timetable you demand.

The concept of Judeo-Christian America isn't even 100 years old. It was a political creation in the mid/late 1930s meant to stave off growing antisemitism among nationalists. Its effectiveness in reorienting thought still ripples to this day.

It's like most Tennessee fans think we've always had the Salute to the Hill or opened the T. It has always been and always will be. When, in fact, it wasn't.
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Lol there’s so much amazing in this post. The idea that you didn’t realize conversations involved responding to what the other person was asking is in itself a treasure.

But then we add the “this was just an excuse to prevent racism” which is a weird argument. Do you believe the phrase itself being used to deter racism makes it any less true that the two have many shared values?

All words have an origin. I’m glad you know the origin of this. What does that change
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lol there’s so much amazing in this post. The idea that you didn’t realize conversations involved responding to what the other person was asking is in itself a treasure.

But then we add the “this was just an excuse to prevent racism” which is a weird argument. Do you believe the phrase itself being used to deter racism makes it any less true that the two have many shared values?

All words have an origin. I’m glad you know the origin of this. What does that change
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Having shared values and being founded on a concept that didn't exist are two very different things.

You're not a kind person.
 
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AshG said:
Having shared values and being founded on a concept that didn't exist are two very different things.

You're not a kind person.
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So we agree western culture, especially our legal system, are based in Judeo christian values?

What do you base that comment on?
 
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"Judeo-Christian" is the fakest of fake news. Go read what the founding Christian fathers experienced and wrote under the Judeo half of the equation and tell me we have a "shared" culture.

And like @AshG said, the concept of Judeo-Christian is a century old at most.
 
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#69
AshG said:
No.


Same thing you've based my disengeninuity on.
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Interesting. Do you believe morality is a set standard (such as one coming from a god) or that morality is culturally dependent and subjective?

Would of the easiest examples of Jewish influence in the law would be the idea that the law applies to everyone equally which was not practiced in Europe nor America at the time when the book of numbers was written
 
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ButchPlz said:
"Judeo-Christian" is the fakest of fake news. Go read what the founding Christian fathers experienced and wrote under the Judeo half of the equation and tell me we have a "shared" culture.

And like @AshG said, the concept of Judeo-Christian is a century old at most.
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The fact that the phrase is new doesn’t change the impact. If I said “the influence of both Jewish and Christian values”, instead of Judeo-Christian, it would make no difference. So it’s odd to make an argument based on the age of the label.

The expansion of the Christian kingdom was one of the main reasons for colonialism from the start. Idk how anyone could pretend Judeo Christian values didn’t found this country.

Surely we can agree on those things. The vast majority of all colonialists were Christians. Many of them saw America as a new Jerusalem. Evangelism was one of the reasons for conquering the new world.

All of these things seem to be pretty well established. Idk how you can deny the influence.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The fact that the phrase is new doesn’t change the impact. If I said “the influence of both Jewish and Christian values”, instead of Judeo-Christian, it would make no difference. So it’s odd to make an argument based on the age of the label.

The expansion of the Christian kingdom was one of the main reasons for colonialism from the start. Idk how anyone could pretend Judeo Christian values didn’t found this country.

Surely we can agree on those things. The vast majority of all colonialists were Christians. Many of them saw America as a new Jerusalem. Evangelism was one of the reasons for conquering the new world.

All of these things seem to be pretty well established. Idk how you can deny the influence.
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I think there is a universal morality, I'm not arguing that. I also believe it comes from God. I don't know that I'd call it necessarily Judeo-Christian based on the humanist/non-theistic roots of much of the Enlightenment movement that triggered our foundation. I also know that the Bible and Christian doctrine make a very clear distinction between Jew and Christian. We don't say "Islamo-Christian" or "Buddho-Christian" despite there also being shared values in some instances there. My issue is most with the label.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I think there is a universal morality, I'm not arguing that. I also believe it comes from God. I don't know that I'd call it necessarily Judeo-Christian based on the humanist/non-theistic roots of much of the Enlightenment movement that triggered our foundation. I also know that the Bible and Christian doctrine make a very clear distinction between Jew and Christian. We don't say "Islamo-Christian" or "Buddho-Christian" despite there also being shared values in some instances there. My issue is most with the label.
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Christianity is a derivative of Judaism. So the idea that the two can be completely separated is a bit absurd don’t you think?

Humanists were almost entirely Christian with an actual stated goal of purifying Christianity. How can you separate a Christian movement from Christianity?
 
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